Second Opinion About PC Parts

Ren Nanase

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Over the years I have learnt when building pc's always good to get a second opinion on components.

All the prices are in New Zealand dollars.
Mainly a gaming machine but will be used for 3D modelling etc. in the next few months.
Current GPU is a 670GTX 4gb Model.

I am looking at:
CPU: http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=20024
Motherboard: http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=18580
Ram: http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=16107
CPU Cooler: http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=18298

Extra if I have enough Money:
Power Supply: http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=20316

I am wanting any suggestions on which could be swapped out for for similar performance for a little bit cheaper cost wise.

Thanks in advance
 
[MENTION=13070]Ren Nanase[/MENTION]: I may not be the best guy for RAM Specifications since I didn't delve deep enough in RAM specifications in my self studies in specific bits of information provided by the manufacturers. So I'll probably spend some time studying it within this year and the foundations upwards. So I can't comment about it.

So right now, this how I see your current situation for purchasing your computer parts (correct me if I'm wrong):
  • Your Budget is approximately 1200 NZD
  • You want a Gaming Rig
  • You intend to also use the system to work on 3D Models (like what program you're going to use)
  • And if you can save 300 NZD, you want to fit in a new PSU purchase
  • Current GPU is a 670GTX 4gb Model

In my opinion, if you really want that PSU, consider the following:
  • Downgrade your motherboard if you don't need 6 internal SATA ports immediate future. This assumes you only buy new parts every 3 years.
  • If you don't care about noises and will not use it in room temperatures of 30 to 40 Degrees Celsius. Use a cheaper Heat sink or Water cooler.
  • Add another 100 to 200 NZD in your budget and you can get your PSU purchase.

If you plan to buy and replace the PSU later on in the future, then consider waiting on that and buying the essential four first.

Mind telling us in more detail on how your gaming habits and software will use your system resources. Can you identify which part of the system will have heavier load due to certain programs or games? In my experience with my current system, I can comfortably run Total War: Shogun 2 at medium to high settings and will have around 10 to 30 seconds to load up each battle field.
 
Gaming habbits i tend to run them at best if possible as well as i have optimised my OS etc.
i have about 1500 NZD to spend and there is a combo pack for the cpu MB and ram which is $1050

Current PSU is a 1000w true power antec, although it started a coil whine and the fan broke which i fixed lol and still runs fine so that's why I am sitting on the fence about getting a new one.

As for modelling we are talking about Maya and 3ds max and depending how i feel Unreal Dev Kit.
Gaming i tend to have a heavy load as i have many applications open at once and some times 1-3 games depending what they are and i am wanting to at least run the new Battlefield game on Hig

The CPU cooler is my main issue with being unsure what i need and might buy 1 more 4tb HD for anime.
For the sata ports there is a small issue lol as i will have 3-4 internal HD hanging off it then more later on.


And thanks :)
 
You didn't list everything you have such as RAM, HDD. They are very important to the build.

IMO, the CPU is too much, I'd say for 3D model (not rendering) and heavy gaming, a Core i5 would do just perfect.
The Motherboard is overkill for the rest of your specification unless you do crazy OC.

I'd suggest to scale down or post the full specification of your rig, so analysis can be done correctly.

Now if you also do 3D rendering, it's more complicated, I don't recommend single PC setup for rendering as it tends to cost much more and is very inconvenience. You're much better off buying an additional budget AMD 8 cores as a render farm.
 
Current Specs are:
CPU: i7 920 2.6ghz
Ram: 6gb corsair dominator 1600mhz
HD: Segate 1tb 7200rpm
OS: Windows 7 64bit Premium
GPU: Nvidia 670GTX
Motherboard shouldn't matter as the new cpu will need a new board anyway.

I wont be upgrading my HD to a ssd as they cost to much for the space they hold. I will be buying 4-8tb HDs at the end of the year when i have more money but for now 1tb does wonders for me. Also have 2 smaller internal segate HD and 4 externals.
6Gb ram is not enough now days for alot of rigs and for what i need to i will be going for 12-16gbram.

As for a Render farm i do have 1 other pc in parts which i was thinking about making it do the rendering but havent gotten around to it yet. Now i was also taking on your advice and will be looking at AMD as a cheaper alt to intel.

Thanks for the feed back as well guys
 
Well then, I don't see any problem in your build. Even though the major bottle necking would be your HDD. Until you upgrade it then.
 
I can't really say much for render farms or anything like that, but from a pc gaming perspective, I agree with the sentiment check said regarding the cpu. And get a decent GPU (graphics card). I just recently sent back my gtx780 in order to get 1 or 2 gtx770 myself after checking how much more I would get for my money. My CPU is a relatively old one for some standards, but a very well known in the Over Clocking community, the i5 2500k. There really isn't much point for me to upgrade it as things stands today, other than the GPU.

I never had the 920, but from what I remember it was a good buy at the time for OC'ing. As a rule of thumb I think in 'these terms' in regards for gaming rigs, cheap overclockable CPU's, paired with more expensive GPU's. Since it's on the GPU side there is more performance to gain. Some kind of i5 as check mentioned sounds great. Unfortunately I haven't checked the current SKU's(models) to give an exact recommendation, since I know my i5 2500k is all thats still needed for current games. I've OC'ed it moderately at 4.2ghz. But most ppl I talked with pretty much just set it running at 4.5ghz right from the start without almost a hickup, and from what I recall the line lies about 4.2 where further OC requires increased Voltage... But this wasn't supposed to be about my CPU though, just to give some glimpse how easy it can potentially be and illustrate the point of saving money on the CPU side.
And just in case your not already familiar, the K at the end of the model number on Intel CPU's means it's unlocked, so people who plan for OC goes for them for that reason.
Without checking online for others feedback and experience, my thoughts by default drift towards the cheapest unlocked i5 (ending with a K)

As to all the other stuff, rendering ect, it's not my field and I have no insight other than that CPU power matters more, and perhaps more importance of parallel computing. So I'll hopefully leave you in better hands in taking advice from other people than me on that.

Oh and yeah, the MB is x79 which is socket 2011, and that means in case you don't know that you cant even use the i5 on it which is socket 1150. Dropping the x79 and the i7 for some z87 and a i5 can save you money and pretty much match what i7 and x79 can do, and relatively speaking even surpass it. But you are forced to like buy a x79 socket 2011 if you just have to have the 6-core extreme CPU which costs a ton of money and doesn't give you anything extra gaming wise. Thats one difference between the two platforms to mention something. Take a look at how the new haswell i5 scales in BF3:
Battlefield31920x1080Ultra_HyereerbedreFPS.png

The results above is with a gtx680 btw and stock speeds. The top CPU is a 6-core i7. Notice my "old" 2500k right behind the current gen i5. And don't be fooled by synthetic tests when thinking about gaming, cause they will show you a whole other result than you will experience in practice when playing games.

Ah your going to play bf4 ...I've made plans for that too, we better play some together then ! I've been kinda starved to not only play something, but with someone. Maybe this Autumn I will finally get to do it.

In summary: if it was me right now, well first of all I'd do a lot more research emh, but as is right now I'd get the i5 4670k, a z87 board, and probably a gtx770. But thats me, get a 2nd opinion on it is a good thing, and remember I've just given a rough idea of what I would probably do, or how I would begin to think as a baseline while perhaps looking into further details. I haven't looked into the performance/price ratios for where you might absolutely get the maximum amount of performance for every penny or anything in depth.
 
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I forgot to mention I'm still using both the i7 920 and i7 970 as my primary PC. I'm not looking at upgrades even now ;)

I'm pretty sure it would play BF4 just fine as long as I slap a 7970 or equivalent.
 
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@checko yeah I wouldn't be surprised by it, I got the impression BF runs pretty well for what it gives in visuals. Contrasted with how crysis was(1st one at least).

Hmm so we can have the best visuals/power performance games coupled with the best price/performance giving HW. Then we're getting some nice efficiency here...just a thought.

Writing this previous post here also reminded me about doing some l4d2....but seeing as your a l4d master/god apparently I wonder if I should be worried about just getting in the way or not do pretty enough headshots hum hum.
I almost mentioned it. But then something weird happened while I edited my post to create a double post, so now that I happen to get an extra post anyways I might as well.
 
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Depending on the level of your 3D graphics, you may want to go all out on RAM. Models eat through that like a teenager through junk food. I'd say get 16GB at least, and perhaps leave the potential to upgrade to 32 later on when you need it.

And while I haven't looked at processors too much in the last while, you might as well look for an i5 haswell k series, as I'm guessing the price difference wont be anything that matters much. I'm not sure how exactly 3D rendering eats through processor, but you might also want to look into that as well (could be worth getting an i7 after all). I know it is a boon with video work anyways, so it might come down to what you are using the 3D models for.
 
3D rendering often requires either Professional card such as FirePro or Quadro. CPU can do the job but usually slower (not sure the percentage). However, for budget and amateur, building a CPU is more economical than make do with the professional card (which range from 600-800$ and heavily depends on the vendor's driver support as well as the render software's support), plus they can pool into a farm, making the card to deprecate much faster than the CPU's solution.

Again, if you tell me all you want is a smooth experience of BF4 and Crysis 3, all you need is better graphic card, not better CPU. A GTX 670 won't cut it but a 780 is will do (for Nvidia) the i5 shall play any game now and for the next 4 years without any problem may be except slower initial loading times.

Now if you add 3D render into it, then first thing you should know is that when you finish a product, and want to render it (let's say, a short animation or so). Your PC will be left at 100% for countless hours (depending on the length and the complexity of your Movie CG), and the fact that you cannot play games or do other crucial task in the next 16-32 hours just kill the deal. Having a separated PC is a much better solution - you can work while leave the other to render.

But then, only you know what you want more better than us, so decide accordingly. I don't know what kind of 3D work you're doing anyway.

My most honest advice?

I'll stick to the 920, buy extra ram, buy a GTX 780. If you do render, buy a budget AMD 8 cores.

Second choice if I have more budget?

I'll build a whole i5, leave the 920 alone, with a better graphic card ASUS Radeon HD 7970 (available in Canada for 300$), not sure about your place. Use the new rig and make the 920 is your render farm.

Between the two?

Same as above, but rip the GTX 670 out of the 920 you have, buy a cheap cheap graphic card for the 920, use it as render.
 
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920 and the board are kinda dead really as it is over heating badly and tends to spike to almost cut off point from alot of the programs i tend to run as well.
I have a feeling that the 670gtx will work good for Bf4 as i tend to change BF games settings to reduce the load on the GPU to increase performance. As for rending it will be pretty heavy next year from schooling having to render short films which i dont mind leaving my pc running for it.

As for a better graphics card i just cant afford it at this point so it will have to do.

As a cost saver then what would you think about these as an idea?
MotherBoard: http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentpop.asp?partid=17315
Ram: http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentpop.asp?partid=17315
CPU: http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentpop.asp?partid=17831

That would be over 200 dollars saving allowing me to get a new GPU faster. What would you think about that?
 
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289.95 lol nearly 100$ more expensive than north american pricing...

Well, that could do as well. Do remember that the AMD will be more hot and use more electricity. For single threaded application, it's also slower than Intel's counterpart.
 
I don't know much about AMD, other than I don't expect I will ever buy one. I think in general they are better for cheaper budget builds, but if you are already breaking 1k you might as well get something with more longevity. Then again, AMD could be fine, I never looked into them once since Intel has always been better for my needs.

@Check yeah I was really surprised that is was even lots more expensive than Canadian pricing, since our prices are already a bit worse than the U.S. :(
 
I'm no fanboy, both AMD and Intel has its strength as long as you know what you're going to use it for.

All in all, AMD can excel at higher end build (consult to my REAPER build, they aren't low end, they are real monster) and Intel can be used in budget build as well.
 
Honestly, it comes down to what you really need. I feel if you finding your components are starting to fail on you, replace the ones that you already know is going to be bad in a long run. Can you outline how often you plan to replace your parts? For me, I usually end up doing a complete new system build every three years. So my budget is more extreme and I had to make sure all my parts I'm buying is within the scope budget for the amount of years it is to expected for me to last for.

In my opinion, Checkmate solution is one of the better ideas, assuming your motherboard is working fine along with your CPU. The temperature in NZ never exceeds beyond 30 to 40 degree Celsius. I'm pretty sure from my research your temperature average gets close to 30 but haven't ever broken past 40 degree Celsius. Meaning that water cooling solution might be effective as using a better heat sink other than the stock that comes with the system build or CPU. You can just go for a decent one for under 100 USD and do fine due to your average temperature.

Your Motherboard choice this time around at this post is fine. I'll take that if I wanted to have:
  • Optical Drive (DVD RW)
  • The rest for SATA HDD or SSD

The RAM choice for gaming rig and well other 3D rendering at college or university level is fine... not sure I want to spend that much on it but my thoughts is that is should not exceed 150 USD. Personally I'm using 4x 4GB Kingston RAM I believe. Can't remember the details since it's over a year old. It does well and really you won't need better RAM unless you're doing it professional a gaming career. Unless that split second does matter to you that is.

The AMD CPU, now I can tell you by experience that they are decent as long you pay a good amount for a middle to high range of it. It's no different to Intel in quality except that it doesn't have hyper threading and the other does. I'm pretty sure you won't need a i7 unless you're rendering heavy load 3D software or even doing the encoding/decoding and editing for movie projects. By then, you would of have the professional career out of it and Checkmate is right on those details. In the general aspect, you won't need it unless you're already in that career then you can claim out of tax purposes for your job.

The current setup you're setup you're looking for is something that will do the job and allow you to have entertainment while studying in College or University. So consider that in the deciding factor before making a purchase. However, if you know that PSU is doing badly, invest in a new PSU that is around 200 to 300 USD. Assuming that investment to pay off within the next three to four years.

This is my opinion of what you need to consider in your build to last for three to six years. I personally invested in a OC system for 1500 USD and another system for another 1500 USD. The system I built was based on the video editing and photo field during my time of studying a couple years ago. And finally, try not to OC for extended period of time if you want to last longer. So if you can build a system that doesn't need to overclock too much, you'll have a good time for the next few years.

EDIT: For your information, I'm using the following setup:
  • Intel Core i7 2600
  • Asus P8P67 LE V3 MB
  • Asus Geforce GTS450 Direct CU (594Mhz), 1GB GDDR3 (1600Mhz), PCIE 2.0, Fan, DVI, HDMI
  • G.Skill 4x 4GB DDR3 Kit, PC-12800 (1600Mhz), Ripjaws X, 9-9-9-24-2N
  • Thermaltake TR2 Bronze 700W PSU - 80 Plus Bronze, Active PFC, Ultra Quiet 12cm Fan
  • Cooler Master TX3 CPU Cooler, Intel LGA775/1156
  • DVD RW Drive
  • 5 HDD
  • Sata Expansion Slot (PCI Card)

I can run it under heavy load and it'll play fine at max settings in Total War: Shogun 2. But if I want to moderate my performance, it has to be on Medium to High Settings. If I require a upgrade, it'll be strictly the GPU due to the fact that the CPU will last another two to four year with my current expectations on software I'm running it on. In fact, I rarely ever maxed the load on my system to stress the CPU so I don't even think you'll need Intel Core i7 3820 or Intel Core i7 4820K to do what you need. The system will be overkill for games for the next two years and really you need a better GPU for graphic rendering and process than CPU to actually get visual performance on those games you mentioned.

Considering to Overclock your CPU, then I take that statement you won't need it back and just buy that water cooler to ensure it doesn't burn out. You will however need to replace that thermal paste every time you see a significant temperature on your CPU after you do the initial load test.

EDIT: I didn't mention my OC system setup since it actually went to hell after extreme usage for six months. That actually was about 1500 USD, add a couple more hundred and you get the idea how expensive it was to use a OC system.
 
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Well my parts arrived and my cpu was Dead on arrival and it also screwed my GPU some how so, it is really disapointing and should have the stuff back next week :(
 
Well my parts arrived and my cpu was Dead on arrival and it also screwed my GPU some how so, it is really disapointing and should have the stuff back next week :(

Hope it works out. I've always been a bit afraid something like that can happen. I dislike the "logistics" of fixing it.
 
LOL the Bios for the motherboard didnt like the chip so that is fixed then my GPU blew up sigh so they are sending a replacement for that now
 
LOL the Bios for the motherboard didnt like the chip so that is fixed then my GPU blew up sigh so they are sending a replacement for that now

Sounds like my first system that had OC parts situation. Won't rant on it anymore but I'm pretty sure I would hope the next set of parts are in working condition when it arrives and be stress tested.
 

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