That right there is where i most agree with you, i don't mind if the MC is mostly ignorant of it until is too late, but what i really want to see is a bond between the MC and the girl, i hate when they say "oh its his girlfriend/wife" but the guy doesn't even appear! i mean then we basically have to take their word for it =S
Also i think that when he enjoys it then it stops being NTR and becomes plain old cuckold.
As for reccomendadions there are the obvious ones like triangle blue, gatenkei, etc, i would also reccomend
http://www.dlsite.com/ecchi-eng/work/=/product_id/RE162946.html since its has a translation (you can find it already patched on nyaa torrent i think) and the MC really doesn't like it or jerks to it xD or
https://vndb.org/v15167, i have others but i just can't remeber the names archhhh.
Yes, the relations between the MC and the girl is important, or at least the feelings the MC feels for her and why (she is the only one that threat him nicely, she has always support him, etc.).
Thanks for the recomendations, I'll check out the first one. I already played
Kedamono (Kazoku) tachi no Sumu Ie de and was really dissapointed by it, but I will explain why in another post, probably when this discussion dies out.
That aside I agree on the most of the posted above. For me the problem, the current one, is that authors just jumped on the wagon without making a research about what is ntr about, they just label it netorare and expect the profit to come by itself.
I think the same, that's the problem exactly.
Not only supernatural means, both the games from Jinsei and Netorare nurse can be said to include corruption, corruption could also mean moral degeneration (actually this is my favorite), the only one i don't really like is when they use drugs to corrupt them since it feels kind of cheap, sometimes i like it like in many lilith games but it depends on how is used.
Yeah!! I hate when the villain use drugs, hypmotism or even dildos. Your comment made me remember some great quote from
Kisaku The Lech in the anime version that was a long the lines of: Only newbies use sex toys, a real man only needs his cock (I don't remember the exact words, but was something like that if someone remembers please post it, all his quotes were really good :D).
Do you guys think a story where the voyeur cuckold doesn't intervene because he doesn't feel like he's close enough to the girl (not in an official relationship) make for a good NTR?
I think a voyeurism NTR that shows the cuckolds internal struggles of not feeling like he has the right to stop her sleeping around because they aren't dating, despite his interest in her, would be pretty good. There's a sense of realism to it that could hold true in the real world.
I really want another NTR game to come along that churns my heart in horrible ways. I remember my first two weeks of playing NTR games being so exhilarating I couldn't keep focus at times! Two games managed to re-create that feeling (one being NTRPG2) for me so I feel like hope isn't lost.
I'm really into those types of scenarios. I read a lot of shoujo manga and that kind of stuff happens all the time too. Many times there's a childhood friend one-sided(ish) love guy thrown in there, with like about 10 years of relationship buildup, only to have Badboy McAlpha swoop the girl off her feet in seconds.
I wonder why artists won't exploit more the "friendzone". I don't think the villain has to be necesarilly a bad guy, I think is better if he is a good guy, so the MC can't oposse his relation with the girl. I think is perfect for NTR. An scenario occurs to me: A pair of chilhood friends where the MC is in love with te girl, but the girl has turned into a beauty, so one of the most popular guys in the school falls for her and she falls for him too. Even better if the antagonist befriends the MC too. That could lead to a lot of HOT NTR situations. Like going in a trip and the MC waking up in the middle of the night to hear/watch them having sex. Or the MC having to guard the girlroom door while they are having sex, so his yakuza brother doesn't find out (because if he does, he will kill the MC for not protecting his little sister as he ask him to, when he found out she was going out with someone). I think the point would be that the MC receives all the hardships, punishment, suffering, hardwork, etc. while the other guy receives the prize. That would make a good RAGE, specially if the MC is a good guy with a heart of Gold that makes you want to root for him.
Just an idea.
Just to add something here, the case 2 can be really good actually (and even be my preferred type of NTR, see Jinsei latest games and the Netorare Nurse series, or even Aisai Reverse side) as long as:
- you feel, as a reader identifying with the mc, the cheating going on, with the female character slowly changing and getting corrupted (especially with a well done NTR B type). Even if the mc is completely oblivious, as long as the reader notices the changes, I'm happy. Also, if you are getting excited without any explicit scene but with only the aftermath (slightly flushed face, little change of behavior etc), then it's a well done scene.
- you can, in a second playthrough, see exactly what's going on, as for me the Mystery is really important.
--> So yeah, NTR with (moral) corruption is awesome if well done, and that's a big "if".
As for recent games, the psychological aspect is often really crude and bad in a lot of supposed NTR games, with sometimes just ONE sex scene to have the girl magically in love with the netori guy. Or the use of magic mind control... Or the girl having the personality of a dead fish.
Case 1 isn't my cup of tea though.
I noticed that too: it's crazy how close NTR (type A/B) is to shoujo, just without the sex training thing and with a reverse pov!
I didn't said it's bad, cuckold, cheating, corruption, mindbreak, netorase, etc. all could be great if done right, I agree with you in that point. For instance I really like this
Jinsuke doujinshi, along with
his continuation, where the husband actually fap to her wife being fucked by someone else, but it's done so well, it's actually really exciting. However it's not really NTR in my book, it's more like mindbreak with NTR elements.
My point was that Mystery NTR is really not NTR in the original meaning of the word. I think mystery NTR is more cheating than NTR if the MC doesn't know for certain that her wife is cheating of him, however that's very debatable. IMHO the more important part in NTR, is the mysery the MC has to feel during almost the whole game, even if he don't see her wife/girlfriend having sex, so he has to knows for certain than when her wife goes out, she will cheat on him, and for some circunstances he can't stop her and feel anguish, suffering, uncertainty, etc. because of it. For me the anguish the MC feels has to be portrayed in most of the game for being a mainly NTR work and not something else with elements of NTR, but that's just my opinion.
As an example I would say that True Blue the animation is a perfect example of NTR with corruption/mindbreak elements and not the other way around. I still remember how badly the people RAGE with it, one of the longest threads in HongFire at the time.
I get what you guys mean now. Makes sense I never really thought of it like that. How I always viewed it was. When the guy gets NTR'd/cucked and the girl falls for the new guy that by default makes it corruption(?) 'Cause it through his influence he corrupts the person you love and makes her fall for him.
Unless the the female in the guys life is already a slutty whore, but even then she would only just cheat for the sex not give her heart away until the guy that does the NTR comes along? Or am I completely mistaken?
I always viewed it as corruption and cheating being parts that sum up to equal NTR when put together.
Nope, NTR doesn't have to necesarilly have corruption/mindbreak. Why the girl couldn't fall genuinely in love with with another guy and leave the husband/boyfriend? She doesn't have to be corrupted/mindbroken for it. I think Miraluka hit the nail in that one. Most NTR artist nowadays probably used to make insult/corruption/mindbreak works, and they jumped in the wagon of NTR because of its popularity, but they don't make NTR, what they make is the same insult/corruption/mindbreak they used to make, but they just add a husband/boyfriend to be there, and they think that's NTR.