Let's Create a VN!!!

[thecoins]

hmmm this thread is calm again...

 

[~SnowAngel~]

probably a good thing~ since alot of vn stuff should be on the forum :P
I'm working on some character stuff atm~

 

[thecoins]

hmm character description?

 

[Ghost Kitty~]

Hmm... well if you post then i could get ideas too... well idk im just posting ideas atm... whether theyre used or not... it gives people an idea of what im thinking... If you dont know what you want to write for the parts i wouldve accepted if you just said you didnt know yet...

If you dont like branched endings i could write my ideas so the story isnt actually branched and its just continuing where the ending would have been~ I just want to make it so that the reader thinks he/she is controlling stuff to some degree ;p

 

[~SnowAngel~]

hmmmmmmmm i think i know what you mean x-x it'll be hard to balance that >.<
I mean, there's an imaginary audience, and the writer's self..ness..ish x-x

If you try writing with the audience in mind, you might end up making something watery that you don't know what you're talking about. If you go too much with your own ways, it'll probly be in a way where the audience can't relate so much. x-x

Giving the reader that freedom is something really to think about. hmmmmmm whether to make the choices chance or be inevitable, idk~ We could make only certain choices do that. Some things we could have them decide what to do first or something~ Maybe have an option for not choosing?

hmmm if we do have that many choices.... idk i could care less about save slots~ XD I suppose giving them more freedom of choice would be nice. Especially when it comes to side stories :3 hmmmmm maybe we could make it seem like it'll lead to a certain ending~ have them pick from so many side stories, but give them the option to read them later on. (can we make that function? whatever they miss, it'll show up in the near-end parts?)


between homework and characters x-x

 

[aexiel]

We need to make a poll so everyone can vote on how many routes/endings there will be and go from there. I believe side stories are supposed to be triggered after 1st playthrough (once conditions are met) that is of course for a full VN with only a few routes and many side characters. Side stories would be most appropriate to show a reflection/explanation of what happened aside from detailing the background and story of the side characters. In a way, in this form the side story will unlock a true ending for a specific route.

 

[~SnowAngel~]

hmmmm that might be a good idea~ idk x-x We'd have some main side stories that are well developed, and then some that help show the main character's character. There's also the extra unlockables we could use~ (like a director's cut maybe?) It would be like things better off not being in the main parts?

As far as polls, we might not need them til much later when scene planning starts. The number of side stories won't really matter unless it gets to being too many x-x but again, that's why there's unlockable so that it's all not completely wasted XD
Not sure what we'd do there~ it would pretty much be as far as any given writer wants to go. It's also optional for the artists, soo if they don't want to draw for the extras, they don't have to.


but i mean, if all's said and done, we've talked about everything and still can't decide, we might do something like that. x-x
ohhhh actually, this is where beta testers come in! We'd make the story up to that point, and assign certain versions to them.
Based on their input, we'll decide further. Sound good? XD

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ummmm just an idea~ i think that once we've decided some final stuff, there will be documents made and sent via google docs? It's just a way for people to have a file instead of copy/past or going to the forum. idk~ it will be the main way we send story content tho once we develop that.

 

[Ghost Kitty~]

Hmm balancing.... well idk im trying to make the story as realistic as possible so.... yeah...

The choices... i wonder if theres a way to make the choices actually contribute something to the story... besides just giving them the option to go different routes...

If were going to have that many save slots we should probably have a decent amount of choices for them to use them... though i guess they wouldnt really mind having extra would they?

Side story... have the side stories be unlocked at certain points? Like the side story that relates to pt 1 being unlocked after they finish that part and giving them the option to read it when they like~

 

[~SnowAngel~]

The realistic part will be like going away from cliche stuff, while having some idealistic traits? Fantasy would be limited to dreams certainly. We can make the choices work with the story. The most powerful thing to answer with that is the "What If_" question.
The idea isn't to have others just to have them for wtv reason. It needs a good purpose that's related to the reader, while still not something they'd expect XD

annnnnnnnd i mean they reaaaally didn't expect it XD idk~ can't make it too random that they'd hate to try again. x-x
The original idea was to have it straight-forward. Route-choices might not be given til a certain point for that, just so the reader gets a chance to either know themselves or the characters.


soo i think we'll leave slots up to beta testers based on what they feel like~

 

[aexiel]

the choices are supposed to contribute to the story, but it also defines which route you'll go into, well depending on the formula with ren'py.

hmm yeah, we could have the beta testers decide that, but we can't just give specific parts to specific people, they have to play everything otherwise the results would be inconclusive, its like a survey where you ask only the people in your class about a teacher that treats your class horrible but not everyone else.

xtra stories... is it possible to put that choice in the new game menu? like New Game(for trying different route), New game+ (to continue with current route and go to 2nd perspective), Side stories(open another menu to choose unlocked stories), and Extras (open another menu with a selection of extra stories not entirely affecting the story)

In the getting to know the characters, in Higurashi(one of my fave sound novels) the first chapter though excruciatingly longer than the rest is spent on familiarizing the reader with the location, the characters and the situation so they can have a feel of what's to come next. They used a forced play where there are no options (since its a sound novel there really aren't any) just so that the readers can immerse themselves in what is happening and what can happen.

 

[thecoins]

Hmm we'll need to make a flowchart later..

 

[~SnowAngel~]

soooo not just saying where you want to go first, orrr picking 2 of 4 side-stories? I kinda wanted to have the major story choices like that near the end, sooo it won't take the reader forever to try again. The side-stories would vary in length of course, and also have some meaning. Sooo most of them might not have a bad ending if possible. If the story gets really long, it would be like a short story of its own. :3

Hmmmm what about having the chapters unlocked as the reader goes? Just in case they don't save, or they just want to read a certain chapter, we'd have that available with a summary for it~ idk how it would be organized sooo x-x

I wouldn't exactly do something like newgame+ while retelling alot of the same stuff. x-x I mean, it would focus primarily on one person. hmmmm not sure how to organize it >.< guess we'll decide that when the time comes too x-x
Lots of things we might have to ask the beta testers to help with soooo~ lol

Hmm we'll need to make a flowchart later..

hmmm flower chart? :3

 

[Ghost Kitty~]

Hmm how about have the different characters in the main menu and they glow when theres a story for them? There will only be there main characters at the start but then more characters will also appear alongside them later on~ Hmm this might be a pain for neko and mean more work...

 

[~SnowAngel~]

ummmmm selectable? idk~~~~ it all boils down to the final drafts x-x
I'm just now going into finals sooooo it'll probly get busy for me really soon x-x

 

[aexiel]

character selection? not sure if ren'py supports that...

 

[Ghost Kitty~]

Hmm... can you post your story so i know what youre writing?... I only really know what you dont want atm... but i have nothing to write with since you sort of just said you didnt like the basis for my story...

If it is possible to make the new game+ and stuff then i would say it is possible to do that... well idk... might not be able to have the same character have multiple stories... unless theres a pop up thing after you click the character to select which of their stories you want to read~ Have the unread story sparkly or something xD

 

[thecoins]

hmmm you all request difficult features... I'll try to create them~

 

[Ghost Kitty~]

Hmm... well... idk? If you cant its fine too... Its just random fancy stuff...

 

[thecoins]

I'll tweak the code.. it's fun~

 

[Ghost Kitty~]

Hmm ok then xD If you like doing that? xD

 

[thecoins]

well, it's fun tweaking code blindly... I remember katawa shoujo have similar feature.

 

[Ghost Kitty~]

Hmm ok xD Where you click the characters? xD

 

[aexiel]

i imagine seeing walls of code. XD

 

[thecoins]

hmmm like at Matrix?

 

[Ghost Kitty~]

Lol walls of code... well wont that be fun ;p