Good, now i just need the name since dmm doesn't want to open =S
MAGNET LINK I'm seeding but if you can't dowload it (there are only 2 seeders) the name of the game is: [H-Game] [RPG] [第六花壇] 少年勇者ケン～じいちゃんの病気を治の巻～ [The sixth flower bed] cure the disease of the Boy brave man Ken - grandpa! no Maki ... Ver.1.01
Rascou used this system in his games, and it was great in
Toaru Hahaoya Tno Ayamachi series which can be considered as mystery ntr too. I hope he will do more games like this. But practical problem for us, ppl who doesn't know Japanese, is that its usually harder to hook this kind of text :(
Problem is, i think, that we just got too many netorase games in general recently and it feels like its cannibalizing on NTR genre, we get less NTR games and more NTS. I dont know why this is happening, im sure there are various reasons, but its just not happy times for people who likes ntr and don't like netorase
I have never have problem hooking the text in the Hahaoya games. ITHVNR hooks the text just fine, even the protected copy from dlsite. It even grabs the LIME and blog text.
It's kind of funny because if you think about it,
Toaru Hahaoya no Ayamachi and it's
SEQUEL are actually Netorase. Well, they are actually a pretty rare hybrid. They are Mystery Netorase with a strong Netorare feeling, in a story with a lighthearted mood, with subtle rom-com undertones but still strong betrayal, inmorality and corruption (change of heart would be more accurate perhaps). It's something really unique that I can't recommend enough to anyone that likes NTR in general. The fact that someone like Gnoomus (someone that doesn't really like NTS and is into stories with a darker/evil feeling) could enjoy it so much, speaks of just how great Rascou's storytelling really is. It's pretty easy to mix all those uneven elements and mess it up pretty badly, but Rascou could pull it off in a magnificent way. I might make a review of it some of these days. Rascou is a developer that doesn't get the attention he deserves. I think he is at the same level with the best in the industry like Venus or Anim.
I totally agree. But some people just have to take things way too seriously and throw a fit when anything isn't just perfectly to their liking.
Most hentai is pretty much fantasy anyway. Literally the artist's erotic fantasy. So some suspension of disbelief is obligatory. It's there to get your motor running.
The worst is when the NTR-haters attack NTR for being "unrealistic". Personally I find it a lot more believable than all the h-manga where a selection of beautiful women all decide they have to have sex with the same generic male lead and then happily become his harem. But do you ever see anyone bitching about how unrealistic they are? Nope.
Wow, From now on, I'm gonna answer just that to whoever bitch about how unrealistic NTR is LOL.
I love that picture. I'm not to big on NTS, but this kind i might actually like. One where she knows about his fetish and goes off and has an affair with his permission and get a kick out of coming back and telling him everything she's done. Where she actually seems to get as much a kick out of the situation as the husband. That's pretty rare.
It seems geniouses think alike LOL. You just give me tha last piece of a puzzle that has being in my mind from some time now. I have being wondering why I like some Netorase works and not others. At first I thought I didn't like it, but there are some NTS that really gets me going for some reason. I couldn't figure out why, until I found
THIS MANGA on sadpanda and later on I read your comment. I get it now, and I think I get why there are some NTS that are great (like
Marina) and others that are kind of dissapointing (like
the one from ANIM).
Let me tell you guys what I think. I think Netorase is akin to another fetish: MASOCHISM. To be accurate the MC in Netorase stories is a masochistic, since masochism is not limited to physical pain. Now, before continuing let me clarify that I'm talking about the depiction of Netorase and Masochism in hentai (manga/CG/VN), not in real life, it's important to differentiate them. Both, the Masochist as the Cuck, enjoy pain, the diference between them is the source and nature of that pain. While a masochism enjoys pysical pain (nature) given to him by his dominatrix (source), the Cuck enjoys mental pain (nature) given to him by his wife fucking with someone else (source). I know it's a lot more complicated than that, there are other elements like vouyerism, corruption, etc. inside the NTS genre, also masochists also enjoy mental pain, humillation and degradation, this is something that the Cucks in NTS also enjoy, but at the very core we can say that in NTS the Cuck is someone that enjoys the pain caused by her wife cheating on him, this is NTS in a nutshell.
Now you might be thinking: "So, what's the deal? We already know about that. We often see the MC crying while fapping as he watches his wife getting fucked. We know he is a masochism. What does it has to do with good NTS and bad NTS?". Well, the problem comes in the execution. If you think of any good femdom in hentai there is something the MC always lack, and that's CONTROL. He nevers controls the situation, he is always at the mercy of someone else. This lack of control multiplies his excitment, he can't help but wonder, what will happend to him, how far will she go, he is afraid and helpless as well as excited. Now imagine a femdom where the MC can call it quits whenever he wants, or that he has some kind of control of the situation and is always safe. Ask any femdom fan and he will tell you that isn't exciting at all. The lack of control from the MC plays a big role in femdom and masochism in general (again, talking about hentai), and I think the same applies to Netorase.
I haven't played/read many Netorase works, but the few I remember I really liked were the ones in which the MC didn't really have the control of the situation. For instance the manga I linked above that mix Netorase with femdom. Also the
SECOND and
THIRD chapter of Mesu Kachou Jogeza.
Toaru Hahaoya no Ayamachi ~Yukari Hen~ and
Toaru Hahaoya no Ayamachi ~Yukari Sono Kouhen~ also depic this kind of situation.
On the other hand we have
Anim Netorase VN, where the husband has the control of the situation at all times. Even if her wife creates the illusion of losing that control, it was just that, and illusion, a magic trick pulled by her. So there were really no risk at all, the MC had the control of the situation at all times. So, at first you think it's Netorase turning in to Netorare, but at the end you not only realize there is no Netorare, but you also learn that the husband actually had control at all times, so it's a double let down (an anticlimax if you would call it). I think that's one of the reasons why it was a let down for a lot of people including me (I think it's good, but it was a let down nonetheless). I think that's also why most people prefer organized Netorase turn into Netorare, or Swapping going wrong. The lack of control from the MC multiplies the excitement by a lot. Even if by the end the couple ends up happy together or if the husband is happy and acceptant of her wife getting fucked by other men, the point is that he didn't have control over it or that he loses the control at some point. Even subtleties like
THESE can make a whole difference.
And now we get to the quote of DiabolicalGenius above. I think that the mentallity of the wife is key in Netorase. Artists and developers focus too much into breaking the wife, however I think that the wife must be corrupted not broken. So instead of focusing to much into making the wife/girlfriend go from: "Not please I don't want to betray my husband, please forgive me" to "Darling, gomennasai!!! I'm comming!!! Iku, Iku Ikuuuuuuu!!!!" they should focus more into making her go from "Darling, I love you, so I will never cheat on you" to "Darling, I love you, so I will make you suffer". The wife will learn to get a kick out of making his husband dispair and suffer, just like a dominatrix gets a kick out of punishing his "pet", but she will never go too far, before the thread breaks, she will stop. That's probably why works like Marina are so popular.
I still have some toughts on the matter that I would like to discuss, but this post it's already too long, so let's stop here. I would love to hear your opinions, whetter you agree or not.
