Re: Anime Sharing - Netorare Thread
Heya!
Here's part 2!
@DiabolicalGenius and @jasonfs, I'm very interested in your opinions and enjoyed reading your thoughts on games very much because they're so different from mine. I'd like to respond to some of what you said and share my own thoughts. It's not my intention to argue or say what you think is wrong, though I will disagree with some of it. I can certainly understand why certain things appeal to you, even if I don't feel the same way. ^_^ I hope you'll reply, if you have the time, and we can maybe hash things out a bit more and come to understand one another better.
@DiabolicalGenius, You made a very good argument as to why virgin's are unique and desirable, and while I do agree that anyone's first time should ideally be special, I don't find inexperience or naivety to be all that attractive, and as such virgins, and virgin characters, don't appeal all that much to me.
Forgive me, I'm forum-dumb and for the life of me can't remember how you make it go, 'so-in-so said x'.
This is from @DiabolicalGenius earlier post on the subject:
As for the NTR angle, I works in reverse. Because she's supposed to be saving her firsts for the man she loves and that being the protag who she is in a relationship with and possesses a strong bond of love with that has not quite reached a physical stage yet for whatever reason, when she ends up being seduced by some other guy and gets her cherry popped by him after only pursuing her for only a short time (albeit much more aggressively and assertively than the protag ever did) after your guy spent so much time and devotion on her just to get close to finally going all the way, the sense of being deprived of something that you'll never get back is pretty strong.
My general problem with these kinds of stories is that many times I don't see or feel this 'strong bond of love' between the couple. I usually see what I think of as affection rather than love, a strong like and sense of care for the person, and many times instead of seeing devotion, I see obsession. Many times the couple aren't even actually dating, or are only pseudo-dating, and many of the feelings the profag is experiencing aren't necessarily real or reciprocated, even when the girl generally likes him in return. Then, you might get a bit of the girl's perspective as she's being seduced and it's, "Oh, I really do like/love this person, but..." To me, if you really love someone that 'but' doesn't show up in the end. Now, I understand some people have more willpower than others, etc, but frequently we get a little bit of guilt when the couple are actually talking, then she'd back to fucking the other guy and not all that bothered by it.
We can't deny that there's a physical as well as mental element to love. It's hard for me to say a couple is really in love, if they've never even had sex. You can like a person to the moon and back, but if it just doesn't work in the bedroom, you're setting yourself up for a hard time.
Because the two are only just dating, and despite their previous relationship, whether as childhood friends or classmates, there's not much emotional impact for me. You did a great job explaining why it gets a reaction from you, and I can understand that, but for me, there's not enough of a romantic/intimate bond to be all that distressed over it. Many times it's just the girl saying, 'I really DID like you, but now I like this person more,' at the end of the story.
My other problem with young lovers is that, when you get right down to it, to me, teenagers aren't people yet. Sure they have emotions and they feel things and make choices, but they frequently don't understand the consequences of their actions, if they even understand that their actions HAVE consequences. Furthermore, they don't have what I'd consider 'real' responsibilities or obligations. I just can't relate to or understand that. It's easy for an NTRed student to stop caring about her family/boyfriend because she's naive and hasn't made those kinds of mistakes that will change the rest of her life before. Even if someone tells her, she doesn't get that she's destroying her life, and it's easy to trust/believe someone you think you love when they tell you everything'll be fine. As such the drama in those kind of stories isn't very dramatic for me, and that's what I crave: drama!
I have a hard time empathizing and understanding characters all the time, whether it's in books, games, or pr0n. I can sympathize certainly, but I can't really put myself in their shoes. I'm more like the co-worker that watches things unfurl than the profag himself. Characters act so completely different than I would, that I'm more likely to rage from being unsatisfied with their actions or a perceived lack of storytelling skill than any sort of anger from the loss/betrayal of my precious waifu.
To me, an adult couple has much more room for genuine drama than a teenage one. If they're married, you ramp it up another notch, and children sweeten the pot even further because each adds another layer of responsibility.
@DiabolicalGenius wrote,
I understand that a lot of you guys have a preference for NTRed wives, seeing a woman betrayed her husband who she married after years in a relationship and has been with as partners for whatever amount of time since, as a bigger loss than a virgin schoolgirl who's only been dating the protag for mere months and hasn't done more than kiss innocently with. I can see the appeal there, but for me the idea of marriage being sacred and inviolate isn't that strong an image. Since my own parents split in my early teens, it's felt kind of inevitable to me that couples will drift apart as enough time goes on and small grievances build up, and if they stay together for the sake of family and the responsibilities marrying has created for them, it seems to me like they'll be doing it out of duty and might almost certainly be seeing other people on the side to keep themselves going. I'm pretty cynical about that sort of thing I'm afraid, not that I'm trying convince anyone else of it.
I pretty much completely agree with you. And that's WHY I enjoy married works. It's the shift from love to affection to liking someone else better. It's the decline from pursuing and marrying a girl the profag was in love with to coming home from work every day and the only thing he's interested in is, 'Where's my dinner?' It's not that marriage is this sacred thing that can't be violated, it's that it's a further choice and action and responsibility that can create drama. She's SUPPOSED to be in love with him, but she's not. She's SUPPOSED to be faithful, but will she? I think that when done well, you'll see more of a moral dilemma with this scenario than with a teenage couple. Why does the girlfiend have to be loyal/faithful other than the fact that they like each other?
I like the drama from the personal struggle of going against responsibilities more than just the cheating. In fact, any woman that cheats on a boorish husband that doesn't appreciate her deserves what he gets. But it's the inner conflict that comes from what she wants physically and what her life is like that makes things interesting to me. If she's got kids, she's not just betraying her husband, she's betraying her kids. When she lies, she's betraying herself. When she uses friends or work as an excuse or alibi, she's betraying them. How is she able to handle all that, and how will her family react if they ever find out? That's the kind of things that draw me to NTR, and very rarely do you ever get that from stories with young couples.
I'll try to review a couple of games I've played recently for the next post; I promise it will actually have some jokes in it. This time, I just wanted to talk some more about our favorite fetish and why it appeals to me after Genius wrote that great post of his. ^_^ I'm also keen to hear thoughts from the rest of you!
Thanks for reading!