Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

[Light316]

https://www.reddit.com/r/netorare/

Quite weird to thinks that sub that dedicated to NTR rarely discuss about NTR games ( I know about lack of translation but they can just use translator right). Like wtf these people have been missed a whole lot of NTR contents.

 

[straight.shota]

To all Marina fans, I think that if you expect Marina to be snatched away this time, you are going to get really disappointed. I think that for two reasons:

1. If AS did that, they will be killing their golden eggs goose, and;
2. They don't have the balls for it.

So no matter which netori guy wins, this will just turn out to be a copy-paste of previous Marina games. This is pretty obvious if you look at their games. They are mostly copy-paste of the same games over and over with different characters and slightly changed scenario. So if you liked previous Marina games, great!, but if you expect something more, I think you are going to get disappointed. Marina will never leave Kenji, there will not be "happy ending" either. The ending will be as harmless and vainilla as you can expect from previous games.

It almost seems to me that AS don't understand what we NTR fans want. I feel like they just clone their games because they sell, but they don't really understand why they sell. This becomes more obvious when you compare AS with other developers that actually know what they are doing:

1. Sixth Flowerbed knows that we like stealth sex, so they focus on that kind of settings.
2. Venus knows that we like the NTR to hit hard, so they take their time with their stories. Also they practically created the lock-camera-angle scenes.
3. Rascou knows how to deliver the slow corruption without the need to turn the heroine into a retarded cock-junkie.

There are more, but I think those samples are enough. These developers understand what we want, and they focus on that. I don't get that feeling from AS. I feel like AS blindly try things, and if they sell they keep doing it, if they don't sell, they try something else blindly to see if it sells... and from time to time they return to their golden eggs gooses to grab some easy cash.

So I'll just sit back here and wait (hope) AS makes me swallow my words... but I doubt they will.

Guys i am looking for novels or webnovels, hell even original english sex stories/fanfiction that are basically something like this https://bakapervert.wordpress.com/maou-gakuen/ plot (guy suddenly becomes the choosen one bla bla bla, girls, harem, etc), btw i used that example but basically any plot where the guy finds himself leading a lot of girls (or just one really) on a journey/goal. Anyway here is the important ntr part: the girls are not only ntr but turn on him at the end, or even 1 or all were using him from the begining (there is a couple of revenge novels like that but they focus on the revenge, i want to see the betrayal)

What i am going to say is an example of how i would turn this series into ntr to give you an idea: the senpai is actually with another guy and slowly brainwashes the other followers until by the end the harem turns on him on the final battle. Pretty bare bones but i thin it gives you the idea.

Frankly the background of almost any revene novel out there works if we see from the beginin and there isn't revenge (bad guy wins basically)

Not exactly what you are looking for but I think you would enjoy Kon'in Ryokou if you haven't play it already. I don't want to spoil anything so I'll only say that even though there are no "chosen one" or "leading a lot of girls", the betray factor is definitely there. It's short so try to play it to the end, I think you won't be disappointed.

 

[Animefan_09]

Not exactly what you are looking for but I think you would enjoy Kon'in Ryokou if you haven't play it already. I don't want to spoil anything so I'll only say that even though there are no "chosen one" or "leading a lot of girls", the betray factor is definitely there. It's short so try to play it to the end, I think you won't be disappointed.

Thanks i will see how big it is, or maybe i even have it? years ago i downloaded a couple of Morning Star games and never got around to them. Any trick to hook it i need to know? i remember one game from them needed one i think. Also you nailed it, what i want is a real sense of betrayal, although i still want a fantasy netorare game where the bad guy wins muahahahaha, like P Herb's Emblem work

 

[Tentacle Bandit]

To all Marina fans, I think that if you expect Marina to be snatched away this time, you are going to get really disappointed.
Not exactly what you are looking for but I think you would enjoy Kon'in Ryokou if you haven't play it already.

First thanks for the link! I appreciate it!

Per your Marina/AS observations I figure the story will be one of two things - basic run of the mill - "ok lets do this again Kenji! Good old fashion netorase!" next er...non numbered game in the series? or "we're making this for the fans and the fans decide"

I don't THINK that last one is going to be what I think it could be, BUT they could have polls regarding the story and what direction fans want it to go - as it IS a game "for" the fans to have input. We will know for sure after the poll closes picking another guy - and if they launch ANOTHER poll following it or possibly wait until next monday.

IF they do the later, then I would actually be MORE curious to see what fans vote for if they post the question "should things go too far and become more NTR then netorase for Kenji?" as in would fans vote yes or no for that. I know there are some hardcore NTR fans out there that would vote yes, but I think with the feedback I got working on my project a lot of fans want the netorase to stay netorase. But really I'd be interested to see how such a poll would go.

I don't know if there is a limit they must reach though for Marina, I mean they haven't made a game with her in 4 years and although she is popular yes - I don't think they really understand what fans want or why she is popular. The writer for the first games clearly said he didn't really understand the appeal of netorase itself and had difficulty writing a cohesive story throughout the series. Ending it with netorase is bad, dont do it kids!

But thats what sold the games and Marina herself, but not her having sex as a teenager lol.

I'm mostly surprised they didn't plan a sequel based on the character from the second prequel, I figured that was literally a build up for Marina 4 after playing it. Maybe where he comes back as a super rich guy and is willing to pay/support their family for Marina as a personal escort/aka Kenji gets Marina to prostitute herself because he could never find such a good lover as her or uses their videos to blackmail her for more sex, they originally refuse but Kenji gets her to do it anyway - so less blackmail and more...er pretend netorase blackmail? lol...I dunno.

I still think there is something off about this whole new game. Honestly there is just so much unknown.

I still believe there is something in the name change and that ! at the end.

 

[Tentacle Bandit]

https://www.reddit.com/r/netorare/

Quite weird to thinks that sub that dedicated to NTR rarely discuss about NTR games ( I know about lack of translation but they can just use translator right). Like wtf these people have been missed a whole lot of NTR contents.

Really its just a different "forum" for a different type of medium talk, I won't lie I come here to talk games and I go to reddit to look for new or interesting manga suggestions or NTR fan pictures because reddit is good for looking at pictures. Heck they don't talk about vids much in the reddit either for that matter, its just not the place to look.

So I think each platform is simply just better suited for discussion around different medium.

 

[Light316]

Really its just a different "forum" for a different type of medium talk, I won't lie I come here to talk games and I go to reddit to look for new or interesting manga suggestions or NTR fan pictures because reddit is good for looking at pictures. Heck they don't talk about vids much in the reddit either for that matter, its just not the place to look.

So I think each platform is simply just better suited for discussion around different medium.

https://www.reddit.com/r/netorare/comments/fd3vwo/you_guys_need_to_consider_start_playing/

Even some of them never seems to know the existence of NTR games aside from doujin and eroanime lol. This is not a matter of just to find a suitable place to discuss. I thought that NTR game is quite common requirement if you're NTR fan in general.

 

[Tentacle Bandit]

I thought that NTR game is quite common requirement if you're NTR fan in general.

I disagree (not because your wrong) but I believe the wider community is exposed to NTR via illustrations, KP! screenshot stories and manga/doujin or anime as its just one click away and more prolific.

Eorge games are niche and require more then just pulling your pants down, but actual time investment. I have legit 30 eroge games installed waiting to be played - I want to play them all but HOLY hell do I have a lot of stuff going on looking for my time as most of us do. So for most people a picture is there go to NTR.

I'd argue that NTR has changed a lot because of this, back in the early 2000-15 , NTR was literally about the emotions of having your loved stolen or brought to a pleasure the main character didn't - and be utterly destroyed by it.

Yes there was different types, like seeing her pleasured, the feeling of humiliation of that. The difference was that the woman was very much not "wanting" her husband to know or witness it. Unlike cuckold porn where they both do it for each others pleasure or to rub it in each others face. NTR is about the emotions of defeat and pleasure.

Cuckold porn is about the pleasure of denial in a threesome which all parties have agreed to - ntr is not about agreement lol. Netorase falls in the middle, but its meant to be a "bad" fetish not something a couple should want because its based on base elements of emotional NTR.

In the last few years I've seen these lines get more and more crossed, NTR has less build up and any male "love interest" is just an after thought. Its become more about turning hot anime girls into cock sluts with netori men (usually ugly, old or undesirable men/players) then actual NTR.

I believe interracial/black NTR is popular now because of western audiences, which is mostly fan art and SFM NTR. Most western artists are first exposed to cuckold porn featuring black men before NTR or they assume they are the same - lets face it, cuckold porn is all over pornhub. A lot of western NTR fans dont' know the difference between cuckolding and NTR. So by extension most western audiences are coming from sources other then NTR games like pictures or vids, they then combine what they know already of porn into NTR changing it.

Whats interesting is before in JAV interracial porn was considering the LAST resort for most AV actresses, like end of your career desperate - or your a total unknown. It was considering humiliating porn to watch an actress be used by blackmen which is why people bought it. This has vastly changed in the last 10 years, now NTR interracial JAV has totally become a thing. The black westerner stealing the beautiful japanese wife from her husbands bed but its STILL stealing.

I think because cuckolding porn has started to influence japanese audiences as western audiences flood anime channels with it, it moves NTR further away from emotional aspects especially as fewer people play games that require a connection with the character and just getting off seeing a girl become a slut now. Hell one could argue this is because a lot of young people don't even know how to be in relationships anymore and are just used to using one another.

So maybe NTR is changing now based on the generation consuming/making it, where it is less about the emotional loss and more about voyuerism.

Finally I'd argue the majority of NTR games are still played mostly by Japanese audiences. Hell I've had people write me about my Marina project who MIGHT have played the first english translated game but are more excited about it simple because its a NTR english visual novel game and have never played any other Marina game. A lot of people just don't want to bother with translation programs either.

 

[Light316]

@Tentacle Bandit

Fair point, maybe I'm a bit geared towards NTR games because how music and voices really enhance the experience for me.

So maybe lack of discussion in other community kinda make me sad.


Btw the mind control game from Lune is out, so maybe I just want to ask if you guys consider Hypnosis and Mind Control as a part of NTR?
Yes I know the end result is heroine will get stealed by Netori guy but it's hard to initiate NTR feels if the heroine is not herself in the mind.

 

[Tentacle Bandit]

@Tentacle Bandit

Fair point, maybe I'm a bit geared towards NTR games because how music and voices really enhance the experience for me.

So maybe lack of discussion in other community kinda make me sad.


Btw the mind control game from Lune is out, so maybe I just want to ask if you guys consider Hypnosis and Mind Control as a part of NTR?
Yes I know the end result is heroine will get stealed by Netori guy but it's hard to initiate NTR feels if the heroine is not herself in the mind.

Obviously its not true NTR, because often the wife/gf is unaware she is even being unfailthful. For me any hypno game is only "good" if it they become aware at some point. Like for example if they hypno is more suggestive, like they start doing things and are suddenly shocked they did them. Or allow things to happen in a trance before suddenly realizing what they are doing. I HATE when they spend the entire game in hypno trance and have no idea what they did especially when it ends without hypno and their just sluts (but have no idea why - that makes no sense)

 

[Tentacle Bandit]

Just played the newest Atelier Sakura game, its um...well I mean its original. Basically the main girl goes on a giant fuck-athon and there IS story content based on NTR (its mostly a...er revenge tale? sorta...?) Its ok...its not a bad game it just has...ironically too much sex. She does screw 20 guys and I dunno, it starts to feel all the same or just long winded. It literally goes from one sex scene to the next with a little bit of exposition between them. Its just...a lot of sex hhaa.

 

[INNocence]

Marina... again. This time I would prefere to expect nothing, no hipe or even overhipe from me. I even try not to look on it. Low expectations for not being dissapointed when the game would not meet my expectations. Sounds like a strategy, well the plan is made :)

 

[Animefan_09]

To all Marina fans, I think that if you expect Marina to be snatched away this time, you are going to get really disappointed. I think that for two reasons:

1. If AS did that, they will be killing their golden eggs goose, and;
2. They don't have the balls for it.

So no matter which netori guy wins, this will just turn out to be a copy-paste of previous Marina games. This is pretty obvious if you look at their games. They are mostly copy-paste of the same games over and over with different characters and slightly changed scenario. So if you liked previous Marina games, great!, but if you expect something more, I think you are going to get disappointed. Marina will never leave Kenji, there will not be "happy ending" either. The ending will be as harmless and vainilla as you can expect from previous games.

It almost seems to me that AS don't understand what we NTR fans want. I feel like they just clone their games because they sell, but they don't really understand why they sell. This becomes more obvious when you compare AS with other developers that actually know what they are doing:

1. Sixth Flowerbed knows that we like stealth sex, so they focus on that kind of settings.
2. Venus knows that we like the NTR to hit hard, so they take their time with their stories. Also they practically created the lock-camera-angle scenes.
3. Rascou knows how to deliver the slow corruption without the need to turn the heroine into a retarded cock-junkie.

There are more, but I think those samples are enough. These developers understand what we want, and they focus on that. I don't get that feeling from AS. I feel like AS blindly try things, and if they sell they keep doing it, if they don't sell, they try something else blindly to see if it sells... and from time to time they return to their golden eggs gooses to grab some easy cash.

So I'll just sit back here and wait (hope) AS makes me swallow my words... but I doubt they will.



Not exactly what you are looking for but I think you would enjoy Kon'in Ryokou if you haven't play it already. I don't want to spoil anything so I'll only say that even though there are no "chosen one" or "leading a lot of girls", the betray factor is definitely there. It's short so try to play it to the end, I think you won't be disappointed.

Do you know a working link? Or torrent? The 1 i see on Nyaa is suposedly dead (not sure since sometiems that is wrong) but i tried https://www.h-suki.com/jeux/Konin_Ryokou.html and can't get it to work (maybe is my internet)

 

[cedr777]

https://novel18.syosetu.com/n1005ga/

Thought I'd share this, it's about a guy and his childhood friend.
He has a crush on her and wants to make a move, but his friends are getting on his way lol.

 

[Redorc]

Cuckold porn is about the pleasure of denial in a threesome which all parties have agreed to - ntr is not about agreement lol. Netorase falls in the middle, but its meant to be a "bad" fetish not something a couple should want because its based on base elements of emotional NTR.

In the last few years I've seen these lines get more and more crossed, NTR has less build up and any male "love interest" is just an after thought. Its become more about turning hot anime girls into cock sluts with netori men (usually ugly, old or undesirable men/players) then actual NTR.

That's very very true. I don't like western style cuckold with the usual black man fucking a "wife" while mc watches. There is no buildup, no emotional ntr stuff, just pure sex, which can be enjoyed as such, but it doesn't feel ntr for me.
It's just rebranding of something that existed since a long time, simply using a new term because it's trendy.
And it can be annoying, because most "ntr" I find in English nowadays are just classic cuckold content without soul.

 

[Animefan_09]

https://novel18.syosetu.com/n1005ga/

Thought I'd share this, it's about a guy and his childhood friend.
She has a crush on her and wants to make a move, but his friends are getting on his way lol.

Thanks, be sure to share any good one you find, i know ther eare but i don't know how to search them efficiently, closest i have come is looking those that are linked (like a reccomendation) when you read one.

And of course site is in maintenance =S

 

[Animefan_09]

That's very very true. I don't like western style cuckold with the usual black man fucking a "wife" while mc watches. There is no buildup, no emotional ntr stuff, just pure sex, which can be enjoyed as such, but it doesn't feel ntr for me.
It's just rebranding of something that existed since a long time, simply using a new term because it's trendy.
And it can be annoying, because most "ntr" I find in English nowadays are just classic cuckold content without soul.

Yeah, that and is getting pretty ridiculous is you ask me xD, personally the only black ntr i have liked recemntly is Terasu's mini series, and i would prefer if he used some Gyaruh-oh or delinquent for it; second chapters was way too lol in my opinion but the last one is great, now i just wish for a continuation even if its the last so long as is longer, anyone know sif he plans to continue it? lately he is only releasing really short stuff.

 

[Miraluka]

Eh, don't bet your money that this, finally, maybe, perhaps they will make Netorase Marina turn netorare, it's silly Atelier Sakura would kill their golden eggs goose like that.


Also
some new entries by AS:
http://www.getchu.com/soft.phtml?id=1082225
This one looks like it's set up for drama: MC has depression and his friend helps him get better, years go by and MC marries a cute wife whom he confessed to thanks to his friend's help, meets his friend again who is on the city for work, MC offers a place while is is on a BUSINESS TRIP(TM), once he returns he finds his wife got better at sex, he suspected his wife and best friend and felt ashamed, however still went with setting cameras on his house just in case.


https://twitter.com/Atelier__Sakura/status/1228146899921686528
人妻セックス ～知らぬ間に堕とされていた愛する妻
No further info so far.

Also, any info about 卒業までの1年間、ここにいる20人の男子全員とセックスします? I'm curious about the plot besides the premise about her sleeping with 20 boys.

 

[Tentacle Bandit]

Also, any info about 卒業までの1年間、ここにいる20人の男子全員とセックスします? I'm curious about the plot besides the premise about her sleeping with 20 boys.

I made a post about it already, basically a revenge tale after the girl catches her BF with another person. This is actually a bit of exposition between scenes but I dunno, it started to feel repetitive sexual wise after the first few fucks she has. It felt more NTR for her when you learn her whole story then anything I guess...but it felt more like a nukigage game with sex scene after sex scene. Thinking back I wonder if you just skipped all the sex scenes...you know the plots not super deep but it is actually somewhat interesting to see her development as she is banged into oblivion. I'd almost suggest playing it and SKIPPING all the sex scenes and just read the exposition in between. Otherwise again it gets a little tedious.

 

[saltwaterfist]

So...I never played angel game so I do not know how that dude would be the perfect fit but I do trust tentacle bandit's judgement so I guess I will go for him. I also liked chief from first Mariko game, especially the last scene that how much he was pushing Mariko to say that she would divorce and be his wife. And she even takes her wedding ring off during that sex! And the best part was that him saying it was just all a play. What a way to make a married woman feel like a cheap slut lol.

But anyway, I also think the best kind of netorare/netorase is when the bull is a rude aggressive younger man. It's just my preference but there is nothing like unsatisfied middle aged woman gets fucked by a young stud and slowly fall in love with him. Best example I would say is Aisai Nikki. Problem with Hiroto is that he is kinda weak. Oh well, I guess we will see how it turns out.

 

[mrecchiman]

Assuming this 4th Marina game ends on a happy/faithful route like it has before AS should honestly take notes from Alice Soft if they make more Marina games going forward.

I thought it was interesting that despite NTR being an option in the main game (though can be turned off also) they released a spin-off of "bad ends" for Tsumamigui 3

https://vndb.org/v19661

Do a "bad end" (non-canon) spin-off for Marina

Reasons:

1. $$$ from their cash cow

2. Give the NTR fans something new without pissing off all the vanilla fans of the main series who like things safe and predictable

 

[AliceT]

Can someone post a summary of Atelier Sakura's new game?

 

[Tentacle Bandit]

In regards to chief, I won't be disappointed if he wins because he does push wives to do bad things but I don't think it would really matter with Marina. I doubt we will get any kind of bad end and Kenji/Marina are more or less wise to people like chief after their last experience. Why I hope #4 wins is so that he dominates Marina and really turns her out of her mind, in some ways he is the opposite of chief - but I don't recall chief ever rag dolling girls. The worse case scenario is we get one where he puts Marina in a bunch of "judo sex positions" and she froths at the mouth and nothing more comes from it. THE BEST case scenario is per her personality per persues her more and more for sex included when Kenji isn't around. Gets her to dress more slutty, ect. Chief could do this too which is why I'm not opposed to him winning if he does - regardless both are capable of getting Marina to act or dress, ect in ways the other two wouldn't.

My worry of who ever wins is it will just be more average sex, I don't recall any Atelier Sakura games that really featured changing girls (like changing hair styles, outfits, ect for another man) like ANIM did in their recent game. I don't really want to see Marina leave Kenji, BUT I would like to see somebody come in and effectively change her. It would be both NTR and netorase in that sense.

NOW some are saying Marina is a nest egg for them, YES she is popular but from the title alone unless again this is a short episode, I have a sense this will be the final game. Its no longer about reporting - its more about wow this happened one more time! More so they haven't made a Marina game in 4 years almost, its not like they are milking her. Thats a long time between releases.

Regardless I hope they post a story option vote next...but only time will see.

 

[Miraluka]

I made a post about it already, basically a revenge tale after the girl catches her BF with another person. This is actually a bit of exposition between scenes but I dunno, it started to feel repetitive sexual wise after the first few fucks she has. It felt more NTR for her when you learn her whole story then anything I guess...but it felt more like a nukigage game with sex scene after sex scene. Thinking back I wonder if you just skipped all the sex scenes...you know the plots not super deep but it is actually somewhat interesting to see her development as she is banged into oblivion. I'd almost suggest playing it and SKIPPING all the sex scenes and just read the exposition in between. Otherwise again it gets a little tedious.

Couldn't find it tbh

 

[Haicx]

I was never a fan of the Marina game, i just felt nothing changed, just a bunch of H-scene then at the end everything just went back to normal.

 

[Animefan_09]

Can someone tell me if the translation for this http://fapforfun.net/archives/15462 is too horrible? xD like is easier if i played with atlas myself level of horrible lol

Also do we know how big Jinsei next game is going to be, i need to be sure i have enough on my phone to download it xD