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o.O Dafuq they put up no resistance at all....
o.O Dafuq they put up no resistance at all....
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How much I wish you were still as active as before....at least you can tell me how to God damn citadel the Trollpitz, I've no problem citadelling any other ship other than the God damn fucking Trollpitz.
How much I wish you were still as active as before....at least you can tell me how to God damn citadel the Trollpitz, I've no problem citadelling any other ship other than the God damn fucking Trollpitz.
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-3- I'm still working my way towards Yamato, then probably go for Ibuki (still not sure about Zao), I'm on Phoenix and South Carolina for USS line, not going to go for USS CV/DD line.
-3- I'm still working my way towards Yamato, then probably go for Ibuki (still not sure about Zao), I'm on Phoenix and South Carolina for USS line, not going to go for USS CV/DD line.
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I saw some game plays on YouTube for Zao. Looks like a pretty awesome ship. It's why I'm cruising down the Japanese cruiser line but it'll get nerfed before I get it and it'll suck then.
I saw some game plays on YouTube for Zao. Looks like a pretty awesome ship. It's why I'm cruising down the Japanese cruiser line but it'll get nerfed before I get it and it'll suck then.
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Zao is by no mean bad ship until you see a god damn DM having 4.5 seconds reload time.
Zao is by no mean bad ship until you see a god damn DM having 4.5 seconds reload time.
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Even in a battleship I don't dare to go against the DM alone.
Even in a group of cruiser, I don't dare to go against the DM alone.
Only engage the DM when you have 3 or more BB, or you're the DM yourself.
Even in a battleship I don't dare to go against the DM alone.
Even in a group of cruiser, I don't dare to go against the DM alone.
Only engage the DM when you have 3 or more BB, or you're the DM yourself.
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Best armor in the game, even Yammy has trouble getting citadels. It's more effective using HE against derpitz, even as a BB
Best armor in the game, even Yammy has trouble getting citadels. It's more effective using HE against derpitz, even as a BB
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Maybe I should have grinded for Des Moines ....
Maybe I should have grinded for Des Moines ....
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In case I haven't stressed this before: The DM will never be by itself, it's either a group of DM, a DM escorting a strike force consist of DD, or a DM providing AA coverage for BB.
@KingArturia: I still kick ass as usual, even after 3 months of not playing this shit game. after 3 match, I feel like WG just fucked this up really hard for IJN player. Here are what I thought:
1. Overall, skills gap lessen between good player and bad player, why? Because guns are now widely inaccurate comparing to CBT, did they specify the nerf/buff regarding this?
2. USN BB guns are typically less accurate than IJN BB's counterpart. However, this only hold true up to tier VII. From tier VIII onward, USN BB are much better than IJN BB, because of its heavyy armor, AA arsenal, and shit. Accuracy is no longer big gap at this stage.
3. USN BB secondaries are worthless vs other smaller ships like DD. I'm not saying IJN's counterpart are much better, just a tiny bit better in accuracy and durability. I don't expect any BB to survive if they got caught by a DD. Secondaries are for the show, period.
4. Kriegsmarine, particularly that Tirpitz class are heavily armored, you have to strike at the magazine at short range to even dig a citadel. I suggest using HE at long range rather than AP. Only shoot AP when you're sure you can hit its magazine. I'm pretty sure they will tune this down a bit, once they rack million of profit selling an ship made of 010101010 (not even made of paper) for 100$/pop
5. AP is less random now, it seems they tuned that out.
6. DM still a monster, and Zao is still shit as usual, don't bother with Zao.
7. Atago is pretty decent though (?) better than atlanta it seems in term of being useful for the team. But atlanta rack more $$$$ if you don't mind the loss.
For my playstyle (Good aim)
IJN BB: Kongo is good, ok for Fuso, shit Nagato and the rest is shit, well, may be except the tier 8.
USN BB: shit from tier III through 6, 7 is ok, 8-9-10 is very good
The rest hasn't changed much.
In case I haven't stressed this before: The DM will never be by itself, it's either a group of DM, a DM escorting a strike force consist of DD, or a DM providing AA coverage for BB.
@KingArturia: I still kick ass as usual, even after 3 months of not playing this shit game. after 3 match, I feel like WG just fucked this up really hard for IJN player. Here are what I thought:
1. Overall, skills gap lessen between good player and bad player, why? Because guns are now widely inaccurate comparing to CBT, did they specify the nerf/buff regarding this?
2. USN BB guns are typically less accurate than IJN BB's counterpart. However, this only hold true up to tier VII. From tier VIII onward, USN BB are much better than IJN BB, because of its heavyy armor, AA arsenal, and shit. Accuracy is no longer big gap at this stage.
3. USN BB secondaries are worthless vs other smaller ships like DD. I'm not saying IJN's counterpart are much better, just a tiny bit better in accuracy and durability. I don't expect any BB to survive if they got caught by a DD. Secondaries are for the show, period.
4. Kriegsmarine, particularly that Tirpitz class are heavily armored, you have to strike at the magazine at short range to even dig a citadel. I suggest using HE at long range rather than AP. Only shoot AP when you're sure you can hit its magazine. I'm pretty sure they will tune this down a bit, once they rack million of profit selling an ship made of 010101010 (not even made of paper) for 100$/pop
5. AP is less random now, it seems they tuned that out.
6. DM still a monster, and Zao is still shit as usual, don't bother with Zao.
7. Atago is pretty decent though (?) better than atlanta it seems in term of being useful for the team. But atlanta rack more $$$$ if you don't mind the loss.
For my playstyle (Good aim)
IJN BB: Kongo is good, ok for Fuso, shit Nagato and the rest is shit, well, may be except the tier 8.
USN BB: shit from tier III through 6, 7 is ok, 8-9-10 is very good
The rest hasn't changed much.
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http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:PJSB018_Yamato_1944
http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:PGSB002_Tirpiz_1942
Actually according to the game files, Tirpitz have citadel armor ranging between 45-315, but Yamato have 80-415 citadel armor, so surely it won't be impossible to citadel her, but from what I can read on forum pretty much Yamato/Montana (which have the best guns in the game) having trouble citadelling her and the only viable way to citadel her seems to be you on a Tirpitz yourself. Like what is this? Tirpitz having better guns than Montana/Yamato?
Main batteries of BB dispersion rate have been heavily nerfed after OBT from what I can remember, so long range salvo is rather RNG now.
I'm not sure on this point, I don't find myself having trouble dealing with a North Carolina in my Nagato, maybe he other BB driver is just noob, not sure. North Carolina have been nerfed in terms of AA at the beginning of OBT and was never buffed then. (Actually I think range of AA on BB was nerfed at the beginning of OBT as well, the range for it is stupidly reduced) I normally don't have a problem in my Nagato dealing with North Carolina, but when I see Iowa that's when I have problems. As it stand at the moment I think it is Montana/Yamato > Iowa/Trollpitz > Amagi/North Carolina > Fuso > Nagato > Izumo I think?
All secondaries have been nerfed at the beginning of OBT, I think now anything below Tier 7 most secondary range is only about ~3-4km, I'm on my Nagato and if I manage to get the skill upgrade then my range would be 7km for secondaries, however standard range without upgrade is like 5.5km. From what I can see apparently Nagato actually have one of the best secondaries for engaging fights because of the rate of fire and accuracy. Oh also you might think this is bad but in a way that secondaries got nerfed, but main batteries of all (but mainly BB) got buffed within 5km, now if a DD dare to approach you within 5km is pretty much instant kill (even when loaded with AP rounds) because you've near 80%+ chance that every single one of your bullet will hit (because unless they angle very awkwardly, but if they want to torp you they have to reveal their broadside for a short amount of time, for a good accuracy player like you they're dead during that split second because of this absurd accuracy buff)
This is the part I don't get, Trollpitz can be well armored, but why does that make it so only another Trollpitz can pen her? I mean I can't see Trollpitz's 380mm better than the Mark VIII 410mm on Montana or 460mm Type 1 on Yamato??? So why does pretty much all ships have difficulty citadelling her? To me it sounds like a bug, because I've hit her with a massive 13k damage with 1 hit once, but it is not a citadel, what is that?
AP is still RNG from 15km onward iirc, or at least that's what majority of people feel. You can sometime hit roughly the exact same place, one salvo will result in 3 citadel and 1 will result in none, its weird as fuck.
I heard Ibuki was a good ship, which is why I wanted to works towards (plus I really liked the Mogami as well so I wanted to work towards that despite the slight nerf she received recently)
Atago is an amazing that I have enjoyed since OBT, the only thing I have against her is still her god damn awful AA, but she's on IJN side so that much I can expect I guess? But with the new Catapult fighter, IJN CA/CL isn't too bad when it comes to airstrike provided you take the Defensive AA fire instead of Hydroshit Search thingy.
I still love my IJN line despite the nerfs and shit, mainly probably because I put up with it so much already that I don't care anymore as long as they're still decently playable (which they still are). However because there are no more wipes I think I'll work towards the USS BB and CL/CA line as well. I'm not sure whether I want to free exp for a lot of USS BB because of how shit it is from what I heard, anything below North Carolina seems pretty shit.
http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:PJSB018_Yamato_1944
http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:PGSB002_Tirpiz_1942
Actually according to the game files, Tirpitz have citadel armor ranging between 45-315, but Yamato have 80-415 citadel armor, so surely it won't be impossible to citadel her, but from what I can read on forum pretty much Yamato/Montana (which have the best guns in the game) having trouble citadelling her and the only viable way to citadel her seems to be you on a Tirpitz yourself. Like what is this? Tirpitz having better guns than Montana/Yamato?
Main batteries of BB dispersion rate have been heavily nerfed after OBT from what I can remember, so long range salvo is rather RNG now.
I'm not sure on this point, I don't find myself having trouble dealing with a North Carolina in my Nagato, maybe he other BB driver is just noob, not sure. North Carolina have been nerfed in terms of AA at the beginning of OBT and was never buffed then. (Actually I think range of AA on BB was nerfed at the beginning of OBT as well, the range for it is stupidly reduced) I normally don't have a problem in my Nagato dealing with North Carolina, but when I see Iowa that's when I have problems. As it stand at the moment I think it is Montana/Yamato > Iowa/Trollpitz > Amagi/North Carolina > Fuso > Nagato > Izumo I think?
All secondaries have been nerfed at the beginning of OBT, I think now anything below Tier 7 most secondary range is only about ~3-4km, I'm on my Nagato and if I manage to get the skill upgrade then my range would be 7km for secondaries, however standard range without upgrade is like 5.5km. From what I can see apparently Nagato actually have one of the best secondaries for engaging fights because of the rate of fire and accuracy. Oh also you might think this is bad but in a way that secondaries got nerfed, but main batteries of all (but mainly BB) got buffed within 5km, now if a DD dare to approach you within 5km is pretty much instant kill (even when loaded with AP rounds) because you've near 80%+ chance that every single one of your bullet will hit (because unless they angle very awkwardly, but if they want to torp you they have to reveal their broadside for a short amount of time, for a good accuracy player like you they're dead during that split second because of this absurd accuracy buff)
This is the part I don't get, Trollpitz can be well armored, but why does that make it so only another Trollpitz can pen her? I mean I can't see Trollpitz's 380mm better than the Mark VIII 410mm on Montana or 460mm Type 1 on Yamato??? So why does pretty much all ships have difficulty citadelling her? To me it sounds like a bug, because I've hit her with a massive 13k damage with 1 hit once, but it is not a citadel, what is that?
AP is still RNG from 15km onward iirc, or at least that's what majority of people feel. You can sometime hit roughly the exact same place, one salvo will result in 3 citadel and 1 will result in none, its weird as fuck.
I heard Ibuki was a good ship, which is why I wanted to works towards (plus I really liked the Mogami as well so I wanted to work towards that despite the slight nerf she received recently)
Atago is an amazing that I have enjoyed since OBT, the only thing I have against her is still her god damn awful AA, but she's on IJN side so that much I can expect I guess? But with the new Catapult fighter, IJN CA/CL isn't too bad when it comes to airstrike provided you take the Defensive AA fire instead of Hydroshit Search thingy.
I still love my IJN line despite the nerfs and shit, mainly probably because I put up with it so much already that I don't care anymore as long as they're still decently playable (which they still are). However because there are no more wipes I think I'll work towards the USS BB and CL/CA line as well. I'm not sure whether I want to free exp for a lot of USS BB because of how shit it is from what I heard, anything below North Carolina seems pretty shit.
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No, once the retail are here, there can't be anymore wipes. People will bring WG to court in that case. Anyway, I'd expect russian ship to rape everyone, you may want to save your money for that. Srsly speaking.
No, once the retail are here, there can't be anymore wipes. People will bring WG to court in that case. Anyway, I'd expect russian ship to rape everyone, you may want to save your money for that. Srsly speaking.
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o.O Well the Gremy and Aurora are pretty much OP for their Tier so I won't be surprised if Russian's ships are as well...
o.O Well the Gremy and Aurora are pretty much OP for their Tier so I won't be surprised if Russian's ships are as well...
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Yamato has more armor but Tirpitz has a north atlantic scheme focused on short range gunnery which mean it's at a different angle than the pacific. Optimized for short range but vulnerable at long range gunnery (WHICH DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE WOWS DOESN'T INCLUDE PLUNGING FIRE) which means Derptiz is actually really op in the armor department.
Btw Checkmate i suggest you read this http://forum.worldofwarships.com/in...amato-vs-montana-question-answered-in-detail/
The only IJN BB that is worse compared to USN BBs is the Izumo vs the Iowa. Some say the Myogi but i loved her and do much better than in my Arkansas.
Not sure why you say Zao is bad when it has an amazing arc on her 20.3 (flat, making it very easy to citadel cruisers), the fastest and most damaging torps in the game (only Shimakaze's upgraded long range torps deal more damage) and it has 10 per side. DM is good but it's a Cleveland with an IJN citadel.
Yamato has more armor but Tirpitz has a north atlantic scheme focused on short range gunnery which mean it's at a different angle than the pacific. Optimized for short range but vulnerable at long range gunnery (WHICH DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE WOWS DOESN'T INCLUDE PLUNGING FIRE) which means Derptiz is actually really op in the armor department.
Btw Checkmate i suggest you read this http://forum.worldofwarships.com/in...amato-vs-montana-question-answered-in-detail/
The only IJN BB that is worse compared to USN BBs is the Izumo vs the Iowa. Some say the Myogi but i loved her and do much better than in my Arkansas.
Not sure why you say Zao is bad when it has an amazing arc on her 20.3 (flat, making it very easy to citadel cruisers), the fastest and most damaging torps in the game (only Shimakaze's upgraded long range torps deal more damage) and it has 10 per side. DM is good but it's a Cleveland with an IJN citadel.
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When I assess a ship, I usually put her against the same type of the other side.
1. I don't deny Zao torpedo is bad but its range made it next to useless. However, if it is able to drop its torp at half the range, no vessle, except a DD can dodge the salvo completely due to the speed. CA has the option to outrun the torp range.
With that said, if Zao attempt to torp the DM, Zao dies first. If Zao attempt to torp any tier X BB, Zao dies first. This is 1v1 situation. In 1v2 situation, Zao win, but then, what ship doesn't?
2. Zao have a nice flat arc, making it easily to citadel cruiser. largely useless against US BB due to its heavily hull armor. In contrast, the DM can reliably penetrate any CA and BB. Whereas Zao should fail horribly against some BB and have to resort to risky torpedo range tactic. Zao does made a great ambush ship but it is also put Zao in danger of USN DD.
3. Zao does have a bit better armor than DM but the difference is pretty much negligible. The only advantage Zao has over DM is better turret durability. But so, DM have Unmatched AA arsenal and are known to vaporize any ship in record time, except BB. Zao cannot do that.
As for Yamato vs Montana, my play test during the end of CBT so much different:
Montana clearly shoot down plane faster than Yamato although I have never had a fight vs a tier X CV since they were never introduced. Montana is also more agile than Yamato, which lead to better chance to dodge torps and fires from enemy capital guns.
Montana turret turns extremely fast, plus its agile mean it has an edge in mid range and short range combat. In longer range, Montana doesn't have any deck armor to speak for, it can be easily citadel in this scenario.
I do agree Yamato gun had an easier time to penetrate the enemy ship. But average damage isn't better than Montana, most of the time worse due to crappy turret turns and factoring combat maneuverability. Montana is able to fire more shots, increasing its luck in hitting the target at long range. In short range: Montana chew through BB/CA easily.
I disagree to the claim of the post that Montana lacks the armor but I cannot testify the combat regeneration, I also disagree with the claim as combat regeneration depends greatly on what type of damage has been done to you. combat regen cannot help against damage caused by AP rounds. Montana usually takes more damage against HE round, but it applies to all USN BB because of fragile secondaries.
Btw, I can reliably damage the Tirpitz about 3000HP/5000HP per HE salvo with my Atlanta
IMO IJN BB is worse compared to USN BB is actually the Nagato, Izumo, and Yamato. The rest is fine if not better.
When I assess a ship, I usually put her against the same type of the other side.
1. I don't deny Zao torpedo is bad but its range made it next to useless. However, if it is able to drop its torp at half the range, no vessle, except a DD can dodge the salvo completely due to the speed. CA has the option to outrun the torp range.
With that said, if Zao attempt to torp the DM, Zao dies first. If Zao attempt to torp any tier X BB, Zao dies first. This is 1v1 situation. In 1v2 situation, Zao win, but then, what ship doesn't?
2. Zao have a nice flat arc, making it easily to citadel cruiser. largely useless against US BB due to its heavily hull armor. In contrast, the DM can reliably penetrate any CA and BB. Whereas Zao should fail horribly against some BB and have to resort to risky torpedo range tactic. Zao does made a great ambush ship but it is also put Zao in danger of USN DD.
3. Zao does have a bit better armor than DM but the difference is pretty much negligible. The only advantage Zao has over DM is better turret durability. But so, DM have Unmatched AA arsenal and are known to vaporize any ship in record time, except BB. Zao cannot do that.
As for Yamato vs Montana, my play test during the end of CBT so much different:
Montana clearly shoot down plane faster than Yamato although I have never had a fight vs a tier X CV since they were never introduced. Montana is also more agile than Yamato, which lead to better chance to dodge torps and fires from enemy capital guns.
Montana turret turns extremely fast, plus its agile mean it has an edge in mid range and short range combat. In longer range, Montana doesn't have any deck armor to speak for, it can be easily citadel in this scenario.
I do agree Yamato gun had an easier time to penetrate the enemy ship. But average damage isn't better than Montana, most of the time worse due to crappy turret turns and factoring combat maneuverability. Montana is able to fire more shots, increasing its luck in hitting the target at long range. In short range: Montana chew through BB/CA easily.
I disagree to the claim of the post that Montana lacks the armor but I cannot testify the combat regeneration, I also disagree with the claim as combat regeneration depends greatly on what type of damage has been done to you. combat regen cannot help against damage caused by AP rounds. Montana usually takes more damage against HE round, but it applies to all USN BB because of fragile secondaries.
Btw, I can reliably damage the Tirpitz about 3000HP/5000HP per HE salvo with my Atlanta
IMO IJN BB is worse compared to USN BB is actually the Nagato, Izumo, and Yamato. The rest is fine if not better.
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I think they ninja buffed Yamato's armor somewhere during OBT, or ninja nerfed Montana somewhere because after OBT a lot of people are saying the Yamato is better than Montana (and no, if you have seen Tier X CV...its stupidly OP, I've a replay of 1 Hakuryuu vs 2 Montana and Yamato (in a platoon) and guess what? They stuck together in an "AA cloud" but they couldn't do 1 single damage to the CV before all 3 of them sunk.) which to me was surprising since I always thought they were pretty even with pros and cons between the two ships.
I think they ninja buffed Yamato's armor somewhere during OBT, or ninja nerfed Montana somewhere because after OBT a lot of people are saying the Yamato is better than Montana (and no, if you have seen Tier X CV...its stupidly OP, I've a replay of 1 Hakuryuu vs 2 Montana and Yamato (in a platoon) and guess what? They stuck together in an "AA cloud" but they couldn't do 1 single damage to the CV before all 3 of them sunk.) which to me was surprising since I always thought they were pretty even with pros and cons between the two ships.
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Nagato being worse than Colorado? Wat. Nagato is a beast, second best IJN battleship in the game (I prefer it over the Amagi for the simple reason that it has far better armor). I did love Amagi but i'm not a fan of midrange fighting which she excels at with more guns and better speed.
Also, not only Yamato takes less damage from torps but because of the jet speed of T10 planes AA doesn't really do much. I can't say much about it personally (which is why i posted the thread) i don't have experience in neither Yamato or Montana but i did shoot lots of them on all Nagato, Amagi and Izumo and Montana DOES get damaged more easily than Yamato.
Just a little correction and one observation on the DM thing, Baltimore has the best AA DPS and i never seen a DM pen with AP against BBs since they are always spamming HE like the fat Clevelands they are.
Nagato being worse than Colorado? Wat. Nagato is a beast, second best IJN battleship in the game (I prefer it over the Amagi for the simple reason that it has far better armor). I did love Amagi but i'm not a fan of midrange fighting which she excels at with more guns and better speed.
Also, not only Yamato takes less damage from torps but because of the jet speed of T10 planes AA doesn't really do much. I can't say much about it personally (which is why i posted the thread) i don't have experience in neither Yamato or Montana but i did shoot lots of them on all Nagato, Amagi and Izumo and Montana DOES get damaged more easily than Yamato.
Just a little correction and one observation on the DM thing, Baltimore has the best AA DPS and i never seen a DM pen with AP against BBs since they are always spamming HE like the fat Clevelands they are.
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Welp, when Checku-sama just talked about OP Russian line, its gonna arrive 19th Oct according to EU side.
[MENTION=29172]FireShark[/MENTION] Eugen will be arriving without Bisko it seems...
Welp, when Checku-sama just talked about OP Russian line, its gonna arrive 19th Oct according to EU side.
[MENTION=29172]FireShark[/MENTION] Eugen will be arriving without Bisko it seems...
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