Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

[RavenGenobreaker]

So for anyone interested, it seems AliceSoft is doing some sort a spin-off of Tsumamigui 3:
http://ntrblog.com/archives/1052457878.html
http://blog.alicesoft.com/archives/4584275.html

Looks like they had users vote on scenarios they wanted to see. Does anyone know if they're going to include all three or if they're just making it about the top voted couple?

Very cool.

 

[joachim]

Sooo..when will marina 3 be released again? I think I'm gonna buy it on dlsite or getchu....

Does DLSite sells atelier sakura's game? if yes, marina will be day 1 purchase for me.

 

[jenghee]

http://www.getchu.com/soft.phtml?id=891238 a new game Ntr on getchu with the bad guy is old man....

 

[Redorc]

I feel Netori is actually an entirely different fetish thats simply been lumped together with the other two as well. In the simplest english terms its basically another word for "homewrecker" in every way. Which is as far removed as can be from what the sexual triggers of netorare and netorase create.

I agree with you on that one, the feelings generated are completely different.

Netorare is basically the japanese term for cuckolding and netorase is basically the term for wife/partner sharing/watching.

OK for netorase, but for me netorare is only partially covered by western cuckolding porn movies: though I'm not a western porn expert, it's mostly type A and C, where women are either willingly cheating or husband are "forced" to see "forced" sex sessions. Type B is what's making netorare stands out, as you don't find this variety that much in western content. I believe it's the same in erotica litterature.

The thing is WHEN wife watching porn IS commercially created like Marina or other western materials if done well, its outsells cuckold porn by leaps and bounds.

Not sure about your couple vs single explanation, but netorase is also different from netorare, so the targeted public can also be different (as you say yourself): people enjoying netorare aren't automatically enjoying netorase. The outsell has actually 3 possible explanations:
- the target public : the fetish is different, it's in a bigger niche (and less dark?) than netorare and more people are enjoying it.
- economy 101 : netorase is even less represented than netorare as a game fetish, so when a game is out, it outsells by the sheer rarity of the resource.
- rewarded talent : the games are well done and well written, and it's just the consequence of being a good game

long story short netorare will always have more material created for it just like cuckold porn that floods amazon, so we have to enjoy the few netorase we get!

To be honest western cuckold movies are 99% absolute crap, so I'm not sure the comparison is really there between ntr and cuckold, apart from the basic definition.
The cuckolding erotica literature is better, but it's difficult to find really male oriented works.

 

[Miraluka]

Mana Tama 3 is translated
g.e-hentai.org/g/907006/04dca8fed5

I already said my thoughts on this when I linked the raw pages back.

its kinda more of type A than B but still B if you get what i mean, the heroine straight away fuck with the antagonist during the "blizzard" without getting forced, which is kinda type A, then next time they have sex its the "no what we did was wrong, we should not do this" , 2 minute into the dicking " fuck me moreee"

so yea I would say type A half B lol.

Still the MC gets the best girl and justice kinda gets served in that one as well.

Aoi was best girl hands down.
Type A is when the girl does it on her own, but this one is Type B because she was so dumb she fell for a trick, "if we don't have sex we will die frozen despite we're on this house with enough to cover us, our lives are on the line, trust me!"

Is this game is NTR...???

http://www.getchu.com/soft.phtml?id=891659

Yeap, netori al the way.

 

[saltwaterfist]

When the first Marina came out, I don't think they were planning sequels. And I did not even know there was something called netorase. And I remember when it was announced, I don't think I was that excited because I was not a big fan of swinging or wife swaps. I was more fan of, well still am, something like aisai nikki or tsuma kanraku or Mariko game, the games which focused on wife purely cheating on husband. So when Marina was announced first, I wasn't really sure whether I was going to like it or not based on the setting. The husband encourages wife to find lover and the wife reports how the sex was.

When I played Marina 1, I thought there wee a few things well done.
1. Marina lying - She allowed creampie from the first meeting and she lied about it. Also, when she was having sex at the motel, lied to Kenji that she was not. But fortunately Kenji was at the outside of the door to find out that she was lying without her knowing.
2. Marina's partial fall - She was admitting that sex with Hiroto was better than Kenji at one point. I believe it was only a spur of the moment thing but she did say it out loud which is considered as her fallen. that includes her calling Hiroto by name and letting him call her by first name. And ultimately, allowing kissing at the hot spring trip. While on the way to the trip, Marina tells Kenji that she will call Hirota "Anata" which means that she will adress him as her husband.

These wee a few things that I liked about the game but the game felt incomplete because;
1. Marina did not fall completely - I think this mainly had to do with the boyfriend, Hiroto. I liked how Hiroto was forcing Marina to say stuff and he was definitely pursuing her affection but he had his own problem. And even though Marina was enjoying having sex with him, it was definite that she was not gonna leave her family because the sex was so amazing.
2. Pregnancy - I would have liked it better if Marina was at least saying something like she wants his baby or have an accidental pregnancy. But there was no indication of any pregnancy.

I think Atelier Sakura/Onboro knew that Hiroto was a very weak netori guy. I mean come on, he was suffering from premature ejaculation. So when they announced Marina 2with an AV guy, I was pretty sure that it will go more hard core and make Marina fall a lot harder than the first game. But I was wrong, it did try to address the strength of the first game but did not go far enough. It almost felt like a side story to the first game and nothing changed, no boundaries were pushed.

So I am really hoping to see Marina fall and comeplete the storyline. I know alot of people are not agreeing with me but I want to ask all of you that how satisfied were you with Marina 2? Wouldn't it have been better if she fell a lot harder because sex was so good? Fall enough that she didn't care whether she got knocked up by AV dude and actually gets pregnant? But the marriage stays intact because Kenji enjoys the whole situation of Marina ahving sex with other man? And AV guy was not a nice guy and would not marry Marina just because they had sex and got her pregnant? I think that would have been better story for Marina 2 and will still have room for Marina 3.

 

[Miraluka]

When the first Marina came out, I don't think they were planning sequels. And I did not even know there was something called netorase. And I remember when it was announced, I don't think I was that excited because I was not a big fan of swinging or wife swaps. I was more fan of, well still am, something like aisai nikki or tsuma kanraku or Mariko game, the games which focused on wife purely cheating on husband. So when Marina was announced first, I wasn't really sure whether I was going to like it or not based on the setting. The husband encourages wife to find lover and the wife reports how the sex was.

When I played Marina 1, I thought there wee a few things well done.
1. Marina lying - She allowed creampie from the first meeting and she lied about it. Also, when she was having sex at the motel, lied to Kenji that she was not. But fortunately Kenji was at the outside of the door to find out that she was lying without her knowing.
2. Marina's partial fall - She was admitting that sex with Hiroto was better than Kenji at one point. I believe it was only a spur of the moment thing but she did say it out loud which is considered as her fallen. that includes her calling Hiroto by name and letting him call her by first name. And ultimately, allowing kissing at the hot spring trip. While on the way to the trip, Marina tells Kenji that she will call Hirota "Anata" which means that she will adress him as her husband.

These wee a few things that I liked about the game but the game felt incomplete because;
1. Marina did not fall completely - I think this mainly had to do with the boyfriend, Hiroto. I liked how Hiroto was forcing Marina to say stuff and he was definitely pursuing her affection but he had his own problem. And even though Marina was enjoying having sex with him, it was definite that she was not gonna leave her family because the sex was so amazing.
2. Pregnancy - I would have liked it better if Marina was at least saying something like she wants his baby or have an accidental pregnancy. But there was no indication of any pregnancy.

I think Atelier Sakura/Onboro knew that Hiroto was a very weak netori guy. I mean come on, he was suffering from premature ejaculation. So when they announced Marina 2with an AV guy, I was pretty sure that it will go more hard core and make Marina fall a lot harder than the first game. But I was wrong, it did try to address the strength of the first game but did not go far enough. It almost felt like a side story to the first game and nothing changed, no boundaries were pushed.

GD: アトリエさくら
TN: 貸し出し妻、満里奈のネトラセ報告 敏感妻と絶倫大学生

Look at the bolded part.


Also how come you don't know what netorase is if you're here?

So I am really hoping to see Marina fall and comeplete the storyline. I know alot of people are not agreeing with me but I want to ask all of you that how satisfied were you with Marina 2? Wouldn't it have been better if she fell a lot harder because sex was so good? Fall enough that she didn't care whether she got knocked up by AV dude and actually gets pregnant? But the marriage stays intact because Kenji enjoys the whole situation of Marina ahving sex with other man? And AV guy was not a nice guy and would not marry Marina just because they had sex and got her pregnant? I think that would have been better story for Marina 2 and will still have room for Marina 3.

Nope.

If she fell for just sex and promises rather than facts despite having a good life already then it would throw away all of her character development.

I think the problem you have currently is that you're projecting on the game which leads you to have misguided expectations.

 

[Tentacle Bandit]

To be honest western cuckold movies are 99% absolute crap, so I'm not sure the comparison is really there between ntr and cuckold, apart from the basic definition.
The cuckolding erotica literature is better, but it's difficult to find really male oriented works.

Again I agree with you on all points, and again like previously I was making generalized statements to highlight the similarities between the fetishes using english and japanese terms.

Now in regards to your last statement I didn't really go into this, but in general when I say "commercial" in western pornography in regards to cuckold material produced I'm referring to non-amateur produced porn movies/videos using actors and digital books (sold largely on amazon). The third I suppose is user created BUT in this sense it rarely features real couples unless somebody is 're-using' another couples pictures and adding cuckold captions for example, but thats not for commercial use.

In a sense cuckold porn commercially sells because its basically all thats available, but the demand of what is actually wanted isn't understood well so they produce the hardcore extreme crap (ie they are basically creating content based on the term "cuckold" rather then understanding the deeper appeal of it - so basically making an assumption of what people want rather then doing research and seeing what the amateur community is creating for the true demand or at the very least not understanding what real couples do)

Thats not to say people don't enjoy cuckold porn and I'd warrant people first exposed to the fetish via that form or even NTR for the first time are leaving a lot of viewers confused until they discover the "truer" version, although thats not to say some people will always prefer the hardcore version. Whats interesting about that is often they are single men - not married/partnered and I'm expecting this is because they are forgetting what its like to actually be in love and how that changes things especially in this fetish (and again might explain why porn producers create the crap they do).

In its basic definition NTR truly is cuckold porn (your lover or partner cheating on you with another man) but yes it IS more complicated then that because often NTR features blackmail or rape in where the female starts to orgasm from the encounters (which is very unique to anime/ntr as true rape/assault 99.9% never has the victim orgasming even if their body is physically responding their mind is in a state of trauma and its hard enough for most women to orgasm as it is in real life - so being physically assault is certainly not gonna help them) so this aspect is very unique not only to anime but I think also as to what defines NTR vs cuckold porn which doesn't feature this element.

Food for though ;)

 

[saltwaterfist]

GD: アトリエさくら
TN: 貸し出し妻、満里奈のネトラセ報告 敏感妻と絶倫大学生

Look at the bolded part.


Also how come you don't know what netorase is if you're here?

Nope.

If she fell for just sex and promises rather than facts despite having a good life already then it would throw away all of her character development.

I think the problem you have currently is that you're projecting on the game which leads you to have misguided expectations.

Dude,

Check the title of the board. This is NETORARE forum, not NETORASE. Although netorase is a part of netorare, it is just a part of many other types of netorare. So I do not understand why you are asking me that I am here posting in Netorare Board. And I said, when the first Marina game, I did not know what netorase was, WHICH WAS 2013!

 

[Selina]

Tsumamigui 3 are a nice game, kinda tricky thou, without knowing what to do and when.

 

[Miraluka]

Dude,

Check the title of the board. This is NETORARE forum, not NETORASE. Although netorase is a part of netorare, it is just a part of many other types of netorare. So I do not understand why you are asking me that I am here posting in Netorare Board. And I said, when the first Marina game, I did not know what netorase was, WHICH WAS 2013!

Board? I think you meant to say thread, thread which aalso has these tags as well: fetish, links, netorare, ntr, 寝取らせ, 寝取られ, 寝取り

Still, after those years you should have known already regarding Marina game.

 

[saltwaterfist]

Board? I think you meant to say thread, thread which aalso has these tags as well: fetish, links, netorare, ntr, 寝取らせ, 寝取られ, 寝取り

Still, after those years you should have known already regarding Marina game.

lol... So... Did you like Marina 2?

 

[Miraluka]

And who didn't like it?

There is a reason why many others besides me talk about this Marina series.
It was one of the first recommendations I took to play after asking here aside from Shin Hoka no Otoko.

 

[saltwaterfist]

And who didn't like it?

There is a reason why many others besides me talk about this Marina series.
It was one of the first recommendations I took to play after asking here aside from Shin Hoka no Otoko.

I did not like Marina 2 as much as Marina 1. Marina 2 wasn't bad but I was disappointed. I am waiting for Marina 3 but if it is mediocre again, I may lose interest in it altogether. I am talking about it mainly because it does have so much potential to be good.

I know you are so focused on it being a netorase game but I think it will not be remembered as a good game if it just end with [Kenji and Marina forever love each other type] of ending.

 

[Miraluka]

I think it already is a memorable game among us and japanese ntrfans.

 

[saltwaterfist]

Here is what I think would be a good storyline for Marina 3, based on playing demo and synopsis and bits and pieces from Onboro's twitter. It's all my wishful thinking so it is not a spoiler...lol :D

1. Since Yamasita will not have sex with Marina anymore, Kenji will ask Hiroto to have sex with Marina again.
2. Marina and Hiroto will have sex but it is not exciting for Kenji.
3. Kenji wants Marina to find a new partner which the relationship will be more daring and exciting.
4. Marina suggests that she will have sex with ojisan since he is visiting Japan but it will have to be on her terms, not Kenji's.
5. Marina starts having sex with ojisan.
6. At some point, Marina stops having sex with Kenji, because ojisan does not want her to make love to any other man other than him.
7. Marina announces that she has stopped taking pills.
8. Marina announces that she is pregnant and ojisan is the father.
9. Marina continues to have sex with ojisan while pregnant but not with Kenji.
10. Marina announces that she will move to Makao with ojisan and asks for a divorce.
11. Kenji refuses to sign the divorce paper but Marina leaves Japan with ojisan.
12. MArina send videos of her pregnant sex with ojisan, including cosplay and wedding sex.
13. Kenji is so tortured but refuses to give up on Marina.
14. Marina comes back with the new born baby in her arm.
15. Marina tells Kenji that she was actually pregnant by Kenji when they had sex last time.
16. Marina wanted Kenji to not to toy with the idea of netorare/netorase so she lied about who is the father of the child and left him to be tortured.
17. Kenji was so shocked by the experience, he vows that he will never asks Marina to have sex with anyone else ever again.
18. The Kenji family lives happily ever after.

I think it is a happy ending if it goes something like that.

 

[stupid_army]

The problem with Tsumamigui, i don't really enjoy the NTR route because only 2 heroines have NTR route.

 

[Miraluka]

Here is what I think would be a good storyline for Marina 3, based on playing demo and synopsis and bits and pieces from Onboro's twitter. It's all my wishful thinking so it is not a spoiler...lol :D

1. Since Yamasita will not have sex with Marina anymore, Kenji will ask Hiroto to have sex with Marina again.
2. Marina and Hiroto will have sex but it is not exciting for Kenji.
3. Kenji wants Marina to find a new partner which the relationship will be more daring and exciting.
4. Marina suggests that she will have sex with ojisan since he is visiting Japan but it will have to be on her terms, not Kenji's.
5. Marina starts having sex with ojisan.
6. At some point, Marina stops having sex with Kenji, because ojisan does not want her to make love to any other man other than him.
7. Marina announces that she has stopped taking pills.
8. Marina announces that she is pregnant and ojisan is the father.
9. Marina continues to have sex with ojisan while pregnant but not with Kenji.
10. Marina announces that she will move to Makao with ojisan and asks for a divorce.
11. Kenji refuses to sign the divorce paper but Marina leaves Japan with ojisan.
12. MArina send videos of her pregnant sex with ojisan, including cosplay and wedding sex.
13. Kenji is so tortured but refuses to give up on Marina.
14. Marina comes back with the new born baby in her arm.
15. Marina tells Kenji that she was actually pregnant by Kenji when they had sex last time.
16. Marina wanted Kenji to not to toy with the idea of netorare/netorase so she lied about who is the father of the child and left him to be tortured.
17. Kenji was so shocked by the experience, he vows that he will never asks Marina to have sex with anyone else ever again.
18. The Kenji family lives happily ever after.

I think it is a happy ending if it goes something like that.

That sound something sound more like something Musa's author, Mashiraga Aki would do.

But for some reason there is a small chance that this "might" happen.

 

[saltwaterfist]

The back cover of Marina 3 dvd has some little extra cg.

https://www.toranoana.jp/mailorder/article/21/0006/56/46/210006564633.html

 

[Miraluka]

It's a scene in the bath, seems related to the one with Marina doing a footjob.

EDIT

Sakura NTR doujin has finally got decent scans
g.e-hentai.org/g/907253/ee8ed36f30/

 

[saltwaterfist]

It's a scene in the bath, seems related to the one with Marina doing a footjob.

No, the one with Marina tied up to the bed.

 

[slamjamdame]

4 Days left guys get ready for spoiler attack ^_^

 

[Miraluka]

No, the one with Marina tied up to the bed.

That one it's just a continuation of this scene we already got on the main website.

The one on the bottom left is actually new.

 

[saltwaterfist]

4 Days left guys get ready for spoiler attack ^_^

I actually want to know the storyline details, especially ending. :D So please send me spoilers...lol

 

[ntr]

The back cover of Marina 3 dvd has some little extra cg.

https://www.toranoana.jp/mailorder/article/21/0006/56/46/210006564633.html

Cover dont open in normal size for me(